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Old 12th July 2005, 11:21pm   #12
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Re: Have I just disproven The Cogito?

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Originally Posted by TragicHero
your premise is flawed, The Cogito does not mean "I think therefor I am" as a constant, only in the instant when you're actually thinking it can you be sure you exist. "I am, I exist at the moment I think it"
There is no difference to this being a constant or not to my argument. Nothing else matters regarding I think therefore I am since it (a) is not the fundamental premise Descartes said it was (any result of a standard logical procedure is not in itself fundamental) and (b) uses logic, which Descartes was meant to be questioning (since the demon could theoretically alter logic). My claim is that I can never be sure that I am thinking anything, and certainly that "I" has no meaning within the context of pure uncertainty (since even if you accept the cogito there is no way to go further than that and prove anything about the thinker)

Besides, you seem to be too willing to asign characteristics to yourself. When we think of a mind we think of certain capacities it holds, such as that to feel or remember. Given we cannot prove any such thing from the existence of thought alone, I am wary of calling whatever this is a "mind"

Even ignoring references to anti-logic, the most can be proven is Cogitatur - thinking is going on. Which is worthless given that nothing else can be proven regarding the thinker. If there is one.
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