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Old 13th August 2005, 10:52am   #20
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Re: With all the erudition of a drunken 15 year old......

"There is more to the existence then what there is to see, hear, smell, touch and taste."

I agree. Electromagnetic radiation, neutrinos (incredibly unimaginable numbers of which pass right through your body every single second of every single day) are just a few examples.

However, I disagree with you jumping from these 'facts';

"1) one minute there wasn't any matter, next minute there was
2) at some point some of that matter combined to from something living
3) at another it became developed enough to question how it got to be there in the first place, and why one minute there wasn't any matter and the next minute there was."

to the conclusion that there has to have been a creator or creating force. It's a non sequitr. I'm not denying there was a creator or creating force, it's impossible to answer that question. I'm just saying that your three premises above in no way relate to your conclusion. It's like saying "fish exist so there must also be ghosts", the premise and it's conclusion are unrelated.
The reason some of the matter 'formed to combine something that was living' is due to certain properties of certain chemicals which also facilitated them forming countless millions of other 'things' which are not living, and things which are difficult to define as alive or not-alive (viruses, for example, are they just quirky objects or are they organisms?). Life, unfortunately, is just an interesting quirk of chemistry. I also don't think you can say that at ONE POINT life developed the ability to question it's origins, consciousness didn't develop overnight. The fact we CAN question our origins is not an indication of anything apart from very complicated neuroanatomy. Consciousness is an interesting but irrelevant side effect of the fact that we evolved as social animals and had a need to interact with others and, crucially, be able to predict the effect of our actions on others in our group. To do this as effectively as we do we need empathy, which requires personal insight which requires self awareness ergo consciousness.
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