Dr. Dolescum

[¡Punk!]

You know, as I write this, I am kinda on benefits in two different countries and have also dodged tax in two different countries in the last few weeks. There are no things to be proud of nor are they anything to be ashamed of. The money that "scum" like me costs the government is the equivalent to having a pish in Loch Lomond. In fact it's worse than that because I go swimming in Loch Lomond sometimes and, deep down, I'm a very selfish man and don't want to swim in your pish.

So while we spend £1billion a year on the illegal war in Iraq, the "energy industry" goes out of it's way to take turns raising prices while you lot fork out for their over priced black oil AND the war which was started so we can get more of it. We have billionaires, millionaires and "British" companies that have so many offshore accounts and accountants scouring the world for loopholes in tax law so that even someone who's spent most their adult life watching...

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[The_Beer_Baron]

Disproportionate rage aside, the actions of the article's author's are entirely indefensible, either by him or others.

[endless psych]

Has anyone defended them?

[MarkMono]

*Phew* I'm glad my work ethic is of my own making and not this myopic, ingrained bullshit that the moral majority seem to suffer from.

[Posh]

Originally Posted by Potatojunkie

Did IQs drop sharply while I was away?

Beat me to it. The only thing I'm 'disgusted' by is the reading comprehension of your average AltNation user.

Seriously, what is wrong with you people?

[Prof]

I'd like to take this opportunity to say a big 'FUCK YOU!' to Mick.



Pro Evo 4 is clearly the peak of the series.

[LesMTS]

Originally Posted by endless psych

How do they generate their money though? By providing services/goods to the public/other organisations. Generating money is an odd way of putting it, they don't really "generate" money they gather it together from disparate sources if horde wasn't such an emotive word it would be closer to the truth...

It was early. I meant they provide jobs, which provide wages, which are spent on goods and services, which provide jobs, which provide wages...etc.

[¡Punk!]

Originally Posted by Prof

I'd like to take this opportunity to say a big 'FUCK YOU!' to Mick.



Pro Evo 4 is clearly the peak of the series.

Not during my wonderful time in West Blackhall Street

[Rowsbette]

Originally Posted by LesMTS

We're talking about a crime on a similar scale to illegally downloading movies and music, or selling counterfeit goods at the Barras. It's insignificant and the disproportionate righteous indignation from intelligent people here is confusing.
The severity of a crime isn't proportional to the number of TV ads or Daily Mail articles tackling it.

I think it's more the principle of it that bugs people. Most folk accept the fact that you need to work in life, so it's irritating when others think they have a right to screw over the system. And, although the effect these job-dodgers have on the tax we pay* is probably negligible, it's hard not to feel a bit miffed when you're having to pay money for working while others are getting money for doing sweet fuckall. Especially when they gloat about it, and confirm all our hideous assumptions about spending it on booze and computer games.

*The "we" is slightly rich. I'm a student, so I get most of my tax back. But, since I'm on BR for my main job and therefore don't see the cash til the end of the tax year, I can imagine how hard-done-by all the full-timers feel.

[MarkMono]

I must admit, I quite like that this annoys people.

It seems just.

[LesMTS]

Originally Posted by Rowsbette

I think it's more the principle of it that bugs people. Most folk accept the fact that you need to work in life, so it's irritating when others think they have a right to screw over the system. And, although the effect these job-dodgers have on the tax we pay* is probably negligible, it's hard not to feel a bit miffed when you're having to pay money for working while others are getting money for doing sweet fuckall. Especially when they gloat about it, and confirm all our hideous assumptions about spending it on booze and computer games.

I honestly don't care about it. It's negligible.
They're screwing over the system as much as someone who illegally downloads a movie is. I don't see how people can crow about benefit fraud then still go on to buy their coffees from Starbucks and their meat-slabs from Burger King.

[corky]

Originally Posted by LesMTS

I honestly don't care about it. It's negligible.
They're screwing over the system as much as someone who illegally downloads a movie is. I don't see how people can crow about benefit fraud then still go on to buy their coffees from Starbucks and their meat-slabs from Burger King.

I agree that the actions of this particular cunt, and possibly this type of fraud in general are negligible, but there is obviously a difference in stealing from hollywood and stealing from other citizens. It's like shoplifting from a supermarket instead of an independent buisness, bad analogy, point still stands.

[¡Punk!]

As a gesture of goodwill I will pay back the amount of each person who has posted in this thread paid towards me in tax. I think 0.04p will cover it.

[corky]

Originally Posted by ¡Punk!

As a gesture of goodwill I will pay back the amount of each person who has posted in this thread paid towards me in tax. I think 0.04p will cover it.

have you got change of a penny man?

[¡Punk!]

keep the change

[djtoast]

Originally Posted by ¡Punk!

As a gesture of goodwill I will pay back the amount of each person who has posted in this thread paid towards me in tax. I think 0.04p will cover it.

I suppose the members of AltNation can get by without their individual fraction of a penny. But, to look at it another way, you've probably cost the state about - what - £20,000? (Could easily be double that, but let's use that number just fer talkin's sake).

So that's ten war veterans who are still waiting for the hip operation that would enable them to walk.

Or a thousand school children who don't have up to date text books.

Or one fewer policeman to investigate the death of the fourteen year old boy who was stabbed to death in June.

The simple fact is, society needs its government to have the resources to keep us safe, to help house, feed and clothe those who really aren't able to work, and so on. Taking money out of that pot needlessly is wrong, it does have real and detrimental effects, and as has been said above, pointing to other examples to try to dilute its effect is a woeful and pointless misdirection.

Doing it is one thing (to some extent that's understandable, selfishness and greed is rife and I suppose in a way natural), excusing it is quite another thing, which I honestly can't understand.

Whether the semantics of the article encourages it or not, I think the tone does with its sorta gloating approach. Well whatever, that lifestyle isn't for me and it'd me unrealistic to think you can ever have a barrel of apples without some maggots i guess.