Column: Has alternative culture killed romance? - Page 2

JennyPiccolo · 24th May 2005, 1:33pm

I apologise in advance for my Carrie Bradshaw-esque endless rhetoric, but in a subculture where bisexuality, promiscuity, and open relationships are not unusual, where does it leave the soft-hearted young fools like me?

I'm sick of only consummating a relationship after fourteen pints of diesel, or lying alone between bouts of intercourse while the eager young man fucks off for a joint or a game on the Playstation, or worse, to write on the forum. I'm sick of chat-up lines like 'I'd cheat on my girlfriend for you' or 'It's five to three, if you were gonna pull someone better, you would have by now'. Have we always been cold, hard people, or do we just treat each other badly because that's the way we're always treated, just because we're different?

To look at, I'm hardly a beacon of alternative culture, but it's the only 'scene' if you will, where I've been able to feel comfortable. As an essentially weird person, I only ever felt I fit in...

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Scene-This · 24th May 2005, 4:00pm

I'm going to disagree here.

Firstly, like was said above, "cold" people can be found in ALL walks of life, whether they are classed as "ned", "goths", "Emo", "Alternative" or anything else.
You also imply bisexuality cannot be romantic, as if bisexuals are all just sex addicted nymphomaniacs who are incapable of "true love". The dig about punks being arseholes also annoyed me a bit, I mean the politics behind punk was about fighting society and those in control who spurred the development of the "cold" people you talk about. Not just for the sake of it or to become an "arsehole".
I agree that alot of people just "hate" "neds" because their identity and peer group dicates thats what should happen and disagree with that principle completely. On the other hand, people who see themselves as alternative dont have much in common with "neds". Fashion, music, hobbies, pastimes, background (in alot of cases) and outlook on life is totally different so it's not really a case of hating them, just not having enough similarities to warrant making an effort to get along.

The alternative scene isnt really that political at all. I'd say more apathetic than anything else. People would rather sit on their arse watching mind numbing TV shows like Big Brother, go out and get hamered at the weekend and fuck anyone in sight because they cant be bothered to put the effort in to a real realtionship, not because of politics.

"Those clubs", what the ones where "other people" go? Nobody "alternative" would ever go into a club where dance music is played would they? Sorry, but I know a few people (including myself) who would be seen as "alternative"( because of clothes, music, piercings, whatever) who listen to dance music and go to clubs like the Arches and The Metro. The music someone listens to and clubs they go to doesnt make them any different. If you met me on the way out of a Carl Cox gig or DJ set at the Arches would you think I was more likely to buy you flowers than if we met a System Of A Down or Iron Maiden gig?

You get arseholes in all walks of life. You also get romantic people in all walks of life. Peoples perseptions of romace differ, and due to the limitless nature of human emotions it may take a while to find someone with the same perseptions as yourself. Don't just expect everyone to have the same perceptions as you and complian about romance being dead when they don't.
/Rant

Just thought I'd let anyone reading this know I'm not bisexual (but then again maybe if just not met a guy im attracted to in that way yet!?), not a punk (i do listen to some punk music and have some views which could be seen as punk) have friends who are skaters and frineds who are "neds" and like music ranging from Carcass to Bright Eyes to Okenfold.

*Potatojunkie* · 24th May 2005, 4:03pm

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Originally Posted by Scene-This

I'm going to disagree here.

You're disagreeing with a question. You just lost this conversation.

Seph · 24th May 2005, 4:05pm

I'm a hopeless romantic, and with the loss of hope in humanity, makes for less competition.

Scene-This · 24th May 2005, 4:07pm

She was clearly putting her view forward through the qustion. Could be seen as a rhetorical question. I was disagreeing with the points put forward through the question anyway, not the actaully quetions.

Pete! · 24th May 2005, 4:10pm

Aye. Well played.

MarkMono · 24th May 2005, 4:13pm

Was hoping I wouldn't have to be the one to point that out.

JennyPiccolo · 24th May 2005, 4:17pm

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Originally Posted by Scene-This

She was clearly putting her view forward through the qustion. Could be seen as a rhetorical question. I was disagreeing with the points put forward through the question anyway, not the actaully quetions.

is there any way 'i apologise for my rhetorics' NOT be an indication i was using rhetorical questions?

THAT was a rhetorical question. What was your point?

starscream · 24th May 2005, 4:17pm

I think its unfair for women to expect guys to know what they want, buying things for your opposite number isnt really what most people would define as romantic. I think most guys just find it hard to know how to be romantic because what exactly is romance? If a guy loves you im sure he'll show it it just might not be what TV and popular culture show it to be.

Why not share his interests n spend time with him that way rather than expecting him to instantly know what you want, you can just enjoy each others company.

Plus he didnt share a joint with you? shocking! Guys obviously a selfish cunt!

JennyPiccolo · 24th May 2005, 4:19pm

AAAAAAAAAAAArgh, i'm never posting an article again. It's not about BUYING stuff, it's about having respect. I was using buying flowers at the end as a metaphor for actually giving a fuck.

MarkMono · 24th May 2005, 4:21pm

Tagging an objective question on to the end of four paragraphs of your views was obviously too subtle for some.

Seph · 24th May 2005, 4:21pm

JennyPiccolo · 24th May 2005, 4:26pm

I also tried to kill my girlfriend...

Seph · 24th May 2005, 4:28pm

Omitted.

Clear rhetorics. Good points. Enjoyed.

/sucking up to pretty ladies

AMillionScreams · 24th May 2005, 4:29pm

Sorry but I don't think that article has much relevance, those issues are nothing exclusively to do with the alternative scene at all. It all just sounded a little bitter and tired to me. Not to be patronising but fair play for having a go at an article, it's more than I've done!

Scene-This · 24th May 2005, 4:30pm

I was pointing out the rhetoric question because somone said i was lost for disagreeing with you.