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Old 24th May 2005, 1:33pm  
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Column: Has alternative culture killed romance?

I apologise in advance for my Carrie Bradshaw-esque endless rhetoric, but in a subculture where bisexuality, promiscuity, and open relationships are not unusual, where does it leave the soft-hearted young fools like me?

I'm sick of only consummating a relationship after fourteen pints of diesel, or lying alone between bouts of intercourse while the eager young man fucks off for a joint or a game on the Playstation, or worse, to write on the forum. I'm sick of chat-up lines like 'I'd cheat on my girlfriend for you' or 'It's five to three, if you were gonna pull someone better, you would have by now'. Have we always been cold, hard people, or do we just treat each other badly because that's the way we're always treated, just because we're different?

To look at, I'm hardly a beacon of alternative culture, but it's the only 'scene' if you will, where I've been able to feel comfortable. As an essentially weird person, I only ever felt I fit in...

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Old 24th May 2005, 5:10pm  
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Has alternative culture killed romance?
No, nothing can kill romance, romance is not a living breathing thing that exists - it is an action.
It is not something you are or are not, it is something you do or do not.

Romance is the beautiful wild flower growing beside the compost heap of apathy, negativity & disrespect - the stench will simply overpower and envelope you if you let it and never learn to search for the beauty close by.

Romance is sharing the stars you see with others when all they see is an empty sky - if you look with the right eyes you'll see whole worlds and galaxies where there was only black.

Romance is enjoying the one you love.


oh and btw, Punks Not Dead
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Old 24th May 2005, 5:12pm  
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Dead's not cool.
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Old 24th May 2005, 5:15pm  
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Re: Column: Has alternative culture killed romance?

That was a good artical i liked it.
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Old 24th May 2005, 5:19pm  
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Nice article.

Although I just got into it and it was over, good topic to write a short story about actually.. think I shall do that later.
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Old 24th May 2005, 5:19pm  
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Re: Column: Has alternative culture killed romance?

"Punks Not Dead"

Blink 182 have split up though. How will punk ever survive.
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Old 24th May 2005, 5:21pm  
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Re: Column: Has alternative culture killed romance?

Before u read on, please be aware that I tried to reorder my thoughts to make some sense but it may not have worked!

Very Interesting article. Nice job. It's definitely something that I have thought of, and i'm sure many others have. Although mainly because i'm getting older and i'm starting to notice the difference between myself and younger folk more.

I can see younger folk every week who are more interested in what they wanna do, and enjoying themselves rather than other people and things like making a
relationship work. It's a selfish time. Of course, this changes over time, when you realise that life isn't just about you.

Of course, this is a sweeping generalisation and not everyone is like that, but attitudes to relationships and romance do change as u get older.

As for being unable to relate to others, I think everybody finds it difficult to relate to people at some point in their life, others more so, but for some it gets easier with time. It depends on a number of things, but I wouldn't say that's it to do with the alternative culture. It's more likely the other way round.

The alternative cultures are often driven and generated by people who find it hard to relate to others. Within an alternative culture they often find others who feel the same, and it's easier to be themselves in this group without having to change the way they deal with other people. It's easier to shut themselves out. However, the alt culture is not full of closed off emotional retards, rather it's more likely to be people who know what they want and realise that they need to be with people who are considered different. Yet we're all different, so where does that leave it? Too philospohical now......

I also understand where you're coming from with regards to having respect for each other. Your first paragraph describes the impersonal state of many people's relationships, and I have seen plenty of this. But i would say that this is not limited to people who are part of the alternative culture.

I think people are who they are and the way in which they treat friends or partners is not down to what music they like or how they dress. An arsehole is an arsehole, regardless of their colour, sex, race, religion or lifestyle. They come from all walks of life.

Of course, the plus side is that so do the good ones. Not all men and women are unromantic or uncaring, there's plenty of people out there who will treat you with respect and kindness, so lift thy spirits, it ain't all bad!

Alternative is a tag i'm not too keen on to be honest, but one that I would be labelled with because I listen to Heavy Metal and play in a Metal band.

Yet i would say that I am not really that alternative. I'm just me. I like to think that i'm romantic and that I care about others, especially family and friends. I treat women with respect and I would happily do anything for a woman I loved. I also know that it takes two to maintain a relationship, and communication as well as respect and trust are essential.

Yet folk from other walks of life would see me as alternative because I listen to Metal (Not exclusively tho.) Plus, I go to the Cathouse, but only because it is the only club where nobody judges you by the clothes you wear!

However, if they looked a little deeper, then they would also see that "alternative" people and myself are not much different to themselves. Surface coverings are often a smoke screen for the real person.

Weird tangent there i think.

Romance hasn't been killed by the alternative culture, or any culture.

It's only dead to individuals who choose not to involve themselves in the joy that it can bring to you and others.

Take heart, for there are plenty of people who do still enjoy it and still practice this oft forgotten art. It's all about finding the right person for you. Everyone's definition of romance is different, but there will be that someone out there who understands what gets to you, and what makes you happy.

Gee, the eternal optimist!

Thanks for reading. Comments welcome, but please remember this is only my opinion.
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Old 24th May 2005, 5:22pm  
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Re: Column: Has alternative culture killed romance?

Christ, that's longer than I thot!
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Re: Column: Has alternative culture killed romance?

If you're gonna use stereotypes about sexuality etc, then you could just as easily say that you are more likely to find romantic males in the alternative scene cos they're all snivelling, overly sensitive goth gimpos compared to the more masculine personas in other clubs.
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All fair comments, but I think Mhairi sidestepped the lot of 'em by posing the whole article as a question. She's asking whether you think it's the case, not saying that it is (which also validates all the responses... nice).
Which implies that she was unable to actually make a point for fear of it not being accepted so made the article a long question so that she could not be accused of being wrong.
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Which implies that she was unable to actually make a point for fear of it not being accepted so made the article a long question so that she could not be accused of being wrong.
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Carrie Bradshaw-esque endless rhetoric
It was stated at the start that the article would be one long question. It's not a case of being accused of being wrong. It is their opinion, of course people are going to disagree.

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Re: Column: Has alternative culture killed romance?

Hey hey now! Both me and my girlfriend (Dil_em_ma) are "Alt Scene" and we still manage to be romantic. Little things like holding hands, and making her tea can be really romantic.

The problem nowadays is that the "nice" romantic people are lack in self confidence and self esteem, meaning they are less willing to approach women in clubs and bars. The shift in seuality and so on has nothing to do with it. If you want a roamantic guy, go and look for one. They'll probably be glad you asked them instead of the other way round.

PS. I apoligise for crushing down 50 years of geneder history to that conclsion, however it is accepted by sociologists that Feminism created generations of shy men who are lacking in the confidence to talk to women. However, in the post-feminist age, women are also unwilling to approach men. This is a generalisation.

PPS. I enjoyed the article as well
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Re: Column: Has alternative culture killed romance?

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Which implies that she was unable to actually make a point for fear of it not being accepted so made the article a long question so that she could not be accused of being wrong.
i think it's an acceptable method of starting a discussion. and it has.

i think it's clear that these are things mhairi has though of, and she already has been accused of being wrong, so it's kind of irrelevant whether she phrased it as a question rather than an opinion out of fear.
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Re: Column: Has alternative culture killed romance?

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How can someone's opinion be wrong?
"It's my opinion that the road is clear of traffic so I shall cross it."
"Oh look, now you are dead."

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Re: Column: Has alternative culture killed romance?

The essence of disagreement requires that you posit a different opinion. You can say someones opinion is wrong with the greatest of ease.
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"It's my opinion that the road is clar of traffic so I shall cross it."
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