coltrane

[Campestral]

he does so many concepts! how do you grasp every note? lol it's a new world! bouncing off every new note makes it all unreal punk goth emo!

[Campestral]

i know this is blaxphemy but i think coltarane is doing cadences and perfect moments just to make us feel good. it's hardly amazing it's more like heh check this out i'm doing cadeneces wooooo

[Dario]

Yes, I thought he was great in "Nuns on the Run".

[Campestral]

we feel as if we never felt before this lord forgive us

[Charlie Parker]

You're very fucking boring now. If you're going to make these posts at least try to think of something worthwhile

[spoonie]

i would have enjoyed a discussion about coltrane, but then i saw it was started by this fandan.

[djtoast]

you lot piss me off.

got something interesting/intelligent/funny/slanderous/other to say about Coltrane, or his records, or jazz in general, or saxophones, or avant-garde approaches to music and art, then what the fuck is preventing you from doing so?

it's the early stuff that interests me - i presume this is what campy's listening to, cadences are less of a dominant (excuse the pun) feature of his later contributions i suppose - do you think it's too simplistic then? do you think that might be why he turned to more complicated music later?

[spoonie]

i just like hearing elvin jones tearing it up

[djtoast]

i'm listening to Giant Steps at the mo - thinking about it again, perhaps that tune was what prompted this thread.

it is interesting to hear how he evolved; i wonder if he would have mellowed out and returned to more traditional approaches if he'd lived longer? in "classical" 20th century music there was a shift back away from the more experimental approaches towards melody and stuff again (); i kinda think avant-garde thinking was a useful process to go through but produced music more academically interesting than artistically substantial or emotionally fulfilling.

maybe i just don't understand it though! but then you don't need to understand the complexity of fugue to hear its beauty - not sure that's true of more experimental jazz. is that a fault? well... not really necessary to judge that way i suppose, but if the purpose of writing music is for it to be played and heard, then limiting your appeal is counterproductive.

which is a way of saying "i want a tune you can hum" without sounding like someone's grandfather

[spoonie]

giant steps was the first coltrane i bought. it's ace. those are my thoughts on the matter.
although in saying that, i appreciate what you mean with emotionally fulfilling vs technically impressive. you can have that debate over coltrane's back catalogue in the same way you can with someone like michael angelo batio vs stevie ray vaughan or similar. there's a place for both but i have to be in every specific mood to listen to something which i need to work for!

[joerattray]

I love John Coltrane, especially his 3 big albums (Blue Train, Giant Steps and A Love Supreme). I do agree with you Mr Toast about the more experimental stuff, the likes of Ascension etc., although I'm still to fully check those albums out. A Love Supreme is incredible; the interplay between the quartet and the limitless torrent of melodic ideas is pretty mind-blowing. I'm going to put that on now actually.
Coltrane has always been a hard guy for me to fully appreciate, having bought Blue Train around the same time as Kind of Blue and knowing it was something special but not exactly why. It's only since I started studying jazz theory a couple of years ago (as you say, music being academically interesting) that the complexity behind the melodies and solos becomes apparent. Kind of Blue, on the other hand, immediately appealed to 15 year old me back then with its nice tunes and bluesy modal solos, although obviously still a great album.
Have you heard the Branford Marsalis A Love Supreme recording?

[Campestral]

i don't understand jazz but i love this [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pXWKwUYGKg"]YouTube - John Coltrane -' My Favourite Things'[/ame]

it's ironic 'my favourite things' because it's so accessible

i love it how the drums and bass are similar to nowadays, so simple yet so dancy

[Campestral]

is this pop? cause they got an award?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkvCDCOGzGc"]YouTube - Charlie Parker & Dizzy Gillespie[/ame]

lol i know it could go on for ever but maybe this is better

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFsL9EwplNo"]YouTube - Bean & Bird: Ballade[/ame]