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Brutal.
Most he ever asked us for was £80, and that was because each band was paying £20 towards hiring a drum kit.Originally Posted by Yorgo
Who mentioned doing that? I suggested advertising the entire months gigs on one poster/flyer to cut/split costs, 4 or 5 gigs on the flyer max. Advertising too far in advance is, as you say, likely to result in people forgetting about it.
Fair enough, you've paid a whole whack of cash for it. But you're business savvy is such that I don't believe you haven't got that backline and PA bringing in cash for you already, whether it's through the studio or being available to hire by other people. Your profit earning potential for the gigs would probably be higher if the backline/PA wasn't an issue and you were doing the shows somewhere with their own PA/sound engineer. No promoter invests £20,000 in the local gig scene unless it's to put the backline and PA in their own venue where it'll earn them money every night, not just one gig a week.
Well, the main problem is the way you only release facts about your business as "fuck you" comebacks. Don't you think you might get a better response by saying "Hey, here is a list of the things I have done/bought to hopefully help local bands play better gigs than most that are available" then tell people what your vision is and explain how it affects the ticket deal.
So your deal isn't pay to play but you can point out a pay to play deal which is identical to yours. What is the promotions name you're gonna use? "I can't believe it's not pay to play"?
Brutal.
It's about as productive as saying that because one band thought it was a good deal we all should.
That seems fairly unlikely, but regardless, to ask for money regardless of ticket sales is pay to play, with our method, the band won't lose money. People often get confused with this as Pay To Play, but it isn't, it's a ticket split.
You clearly stated, why don't you book the bands 6 months in advance and share printing costs, seems a little odd that you would agree with me now. The whole point of putting the gig on is to make a profit as well as covering costs so the fact that you are accusing us of "doing" the bands by making money out of this is ridiculous.
Noone makes money these days from gigs because less and less people are going out for the night, hence the rising costs of venue hire and therefore ticket splits. The reason I use my own gear is that I trust it. How my gigs sounds are a representation of my work for the night and i've had bands turning up with 20w combo's expecting to have a great sound, which never works. I use the backline/PA on average 3 nights a week or as spares in the studio and do make a return on the investment. I don't see how this point affects the current argument though.
Mishelle had clearly done that on behalf on the night. Then you guys started hitting out with the negative comments without seeing the other side of the picture. I'm here helping to argue the case of the promoter.
The deal is not pay to play, that would suggest thye band paying out money to play a gig, but the bands will never be out of money, they will always get a split of the door and make a comission from their own tickets sales. Is it that hard to get!?So your deal isn't pay to play but you can point out a pay to play deal which is identical to yours. What is the promotions name you're gonna use? "I can't believe it's not pay to play"?
You should perhaps read my post again, because you obviously skim through them and misinterpret things.
Where in there do i even say "6 months"? Nowhere. I suggested cutting costs by advertising all the gigs for each month on the same flyer/poster.
Slightly childish to think that this discussion actually has right and wrongs. I'm far from squirming or scraping, but then I wouldn't post a thread where I'm so vague that people think I'm posting on behalf of a venue. You do know that's legally called misrepresentation don't you? Anyway, what's the name these shows are being promoted under? It still hasn't appeared in this thread.My, some people are just dense, and its commical to watch someone squirm and scrape for an argument when they have been repeatedly proven wrong. Entertainment
You may want to re-read the thread title.
So is that the name you're promoting everything under then? I think you'll find that most people thought it was just the name of the night, particularly since the night in question is Sunday.
I thought that was the name of the night. Also, the venue's closed down thus denying you the play on their name. I take it it'll the night will be staying as Black and White Sabbath wherever it's held?
The night was to help out a friend at Black and Whites, it's closed down, therefore won't be happening at all.
Therefore, this whole argument is fairly unnecessary.
What's changed in the past few days? You said the "venue has since closed down due to the company relocating next week, but this will be back on the cards soon".
The place was closed down for legal reasons.
They said they had a new venue on the cards but i've not heard from them the past few days,
pretty much looks like a disaster.
Oh well, not to worry, this was only a favour anyways,
The gear has since found a new home, a new studio out in Coatbridge
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