Sick To Death of pop/boyband metal

[TragicHero]

<<As for these guitar solos being cut out............if they did do this then good on them. Rock music isn't all about the guitar solo. Some songs need them, I grant you, but not every single song. They really bore me, to be honest.>>
Gotta disagree and side with Prophet dude here, I dont think it was right to take guitar solos out - they rock... if they were shit thats a different story but they may have been good and i would have liked to hear them

<<Now, commercialism and music......aren't they really hand in hand? Don't people all dream, at one point, of playing in a "POPULAR" band and being supremely rich? If a band's music sells, then that's great. Good luck to 'em.>>
This is a good point... BUT there is a difference between the record companies commercialising the bands and the bands seeing the money as pay for the job they love and the record companies hiring comercial bands that see the money as pay for doing promotion shit and doing the job they do for easy money.

<<I know it's hard to accept that the bands you like become popular and they don't seem to be "your band" anymore >>
Thats SOOOO true, im always into these bands, then they get famous and im like WTF!!! It feels different...
<<but I honestly think that people should just accept and be pleased for them. >>
I agree but it still feels weird

<<To sum up, I'm glad that people are actually starting to buy records of real bands where the guys write the songs, play the instruments and rock out live. Boy bands and girl bands are fine too, but I prefer "honest" musicianship. >>

Agreed, i was always hoping last resort would get to no.1 because i thought papa roach deserved it, tis a damn good song methinks

<<First of all i appreciate your balanced arguments that you all placed after my last post now i know im not just dealing with trendy little kids. I dont know how you guys grew up>>

You shouldn't judge a book by its cover... I never really regard myself as a kid (I'm 15)... but then I guess most people my age dont, im glad you realised your argument isn't all that easy to win

PS. I spit on the mildest accusation of me being trendy coz I've been into metal since I was like 4 and i've been against wearing designer clothes since before I knew what "Alternative" meant

<<i had a ****ing hard time for liking the music i listened to growing up. For this reason it sickens me that metal is so trendy>>

I too know this feeling but I feel good for the honest bands that are getting some of the credit they deserve

Chill bitches...

Oh yeah, and Papa Roach DEFINATELY are not in it for the money... I have a small extract from a kerrang magazine that i was saving incase you got better at arguing with me and I started losing

"Acording to Coby Dick, Papa Roach are 'out here right now, trying to gain some respect. And it's really hard. Because we think we're not respected by a lot of our peers that are out there. And that kind of sucks'
Who do you feel not respected by?
'I don't want to say, but I don't think we're respected' "
::skipped some lines::
"Papa Roach don't thjink of themselves as being famous, although they're aware that Coby Dick might be approaching that grade."
::skipped some lines::
"They talk of how, when Korn first sold a million albums, each member of that band was given teh keys to a $95,000 sporst utility vehicle, and how nothing like this happened to them. This isn't a gripe, they explain, it's just that Papa Roach, at this moment, feel neither rich nor famous. Maybe this is because they haven't had time to stop and spend that money yet
'That may be true' conceds Coby Dick. 'You know one day I'm going to live in a nice house.'
How would you define a nice house?
'Four or Five bedrooms, somewhere I can record my music. Not a mansion or anything.'
But you're all going to be millionaires with this record, aren't you? It's with this question, for the first and only time in our interview, that Coby Dick, very briefly, gets a little angry.
"What the F**K does that have to do with anything?" he snaps. "This interview shouldn't even be about F**King money. After the next record you can ask us about that, but as it is I don't even think about the money. If I did then I wouldn't be thinking about the right things. My mind would be on the wrong subject. The thing I need to focus on is the music, not the money! "


Theres another bit that much more convincing but i cant be ****ed typing it so if you want to read get me at the galleries and tell me to bring it in.

Terminate Communication

[Rebus]

since you were 4?
wow.
I've been into rock since I was 16. I found my own taste my own way( none of this cliquey galleries crap), the amount of time you like something doesn't matter, it's what you do with that time.

[Oskar]

i got into rock and metal when i was 12, twas on of my brother's best mates that spotted that i had potential to appreciate the good stuff, as he put it

[TragicHero]

<<since you were 4?
wow.>>

Yeah, when I was a kid my brother and I used to get the video camera, put bands like motley crew, guns n' roses etc. on and do crazy shit, sometimes my bro had friends over, my sister featured and once we had an au pair that was a metaller - that was cool coz she was gothed up in the video... youd expect the hour-long videos to be boring but we always thought of funny stuff... mose got recorded over but i think there are still one or two left and they will always be funny

<<I've been into rock since I was 16. I found my own taste my own way( none of this cliquey galleries crap), the amount of time you like something doesn't matter, it's what you do with that time.>>

Agreed.

I was influenced mainly by my brother and a little by my sister but my brother went mostly off metal a few years ago as his taste did not change but "evolved" apparently.
I also went off on tangeants, different tangeants but always came back to metal. My sister is still a metaller but she likes different bands.

A lot of my musical taste came from my liking of a band since i was young but only having heard one or two of their songs and picking up their album at random one day.
It was like that with queen, i always knew one day id buy a queen album... so I did and now they are my favorite band... Tears for fears... Black Sabbath... both the same, they too are some of my favorite bands; my brother\sister\parents were never into those bands, neither were any of my friends at the time except queen who I had a couple of friends that liked.

Only in the last year or so have I really been in-touch with the glasgow community of like-minded individuals.

[Rebus]

Tears For fears: Sewing The Seeds of Shite

[TragicHero]

NO WAY DUDE!

Tears for fears ****ING RULE!!!

Songs like Everybody Wants To Rule The World, Shout and The Working Hour, Change... and countless others... these songs are beyound words musically... that band take my breath away...

Antony

Anyway... whats the matter? not alternative enough for you??? How sad.

[haushinka_bill]

it seems that you people are all voicing your opinions and fine, fair enough, but i doubt it will change those who disagree with you. in the Cathouse, if they play something you dont like, and bear it. chances are they'll play something you like later.
i like soooooo many different types of music and bands and i know **** all about them. all i know is that i like them and i want to hear more of them. i like Iron Maiden and Papa Roach, is that a crime? seriously, and i like The Offspring and Metallica, Gree Day and Disturbed. It doesnt matter. just listen to what you want to listen to and and bear it if you dont like soem stuff. if any of that makes sense, let me know!
Ta
Love

[TragicHero]

Bill, its not that we are trying to change each other's opinions, we're just having a conversation.

Sometimes its nice to hear other people who disagree with you because you get to thinking about different points of view and sides that you hadn't considered before.

Nobody here is arguing (I don't think), we're just giving opinions and considering other peoples


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Come to see yourself in other's eyes... Surprised?
Living like I want to don't come easy but I'm trying,
Sorting out whats true from whats all lies... it's wise!
- Sabbath

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[haushinka_bill]

I agree with you and also...keep this quiet but...
I LOVE AEROSMITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they are class!
aight!



anyways, bye
P.S. I LOVE AEROSMITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love

[Euronymous]

How'd you know that the Papa Roach guy didn't say all that to try and shed the "we're in it for the money" tag they now have?

If that thing with Linkin Park is true, about removing guitar solo's, im suprised any of you are suprised. There are a few bands that begin to get fame then don't take it further and get richer and richer, although editing your work purely for money shows they aren't musicians at all, there buisnessmen.

Personally i can't stand any of these nu metal bands, i think the music's crap and generally don't like their attitude to their work but if people like it, who cares - it doesn't affect people such as myself into Pantera/Slayer and the heavier shit. As long as they (nu metal fans and they like) accept that they are buisness men/women and not primarily musicians.

[TheWoobs]

I, personally, think Linkin Park are dross *****. I feel the same way about Limp Bizkit, Slipknot and (fair enough, what I've heard of) Papa Roach, Disturbed and ****ing sum 41 and lost prophets.

For the people saying that they like to see musicians out there, I think that's fine, that is a good thing, I'm glad to hear more people say that nowadays, one of the most shocking title tracks for a 'song' I've heard was "Who needs guitars anyway?"
Don't get me wrong, I play in a band, I write music, I love the 80's and I ****ing love synths, especially Trent's and Angelo Badlamenti's but that's another matter.. musicianship in general I believe should be appreciated.

HOWEVER, I think as far as some of these bands are concerned there is not much talent on display, fair enough if you say that for example you like "Last Resort" .. but why do you like it? Is it because it really connects with you, you feel the band are trying to express raw emotion through pure and somewhat unique well crafted music? Or is it just because it has a heavy guitar in it and it's better than the normal ***** being played on the radio?

I find that a lot of folk into 'metal' or 'numetal' or whatever the **** you want to call it are into it because it's heavy and 'alternative'. Can you honestly think of a Papa Roach song which compares musically or lyrically with Thru The Eyes Of Ruby? Dusty (s/g)? Grace? or can you even think on the level where you can compare a song like Blank Page or even ****ing I just can't get enough to that sort of music... or is it impossible because music that isn't heavy is *****?

I think people generally nowadays want to pidgeonhole themselves into a certain genre of music, **** that. I want to hear music that appeals to me, that I connect to, and that I can look at and see straight away that the (usually) lyrics and music for that song have been CRAFTED over time, played with and toyed with and perfected. Not just a few downtuned chords with angsty lyrics over them.

Anyway a few thoughts.

FYI I'm into dEUS, Jeff Buckley, SP, the pixies, depeche, soundgarden, radiohead (yes all eras bar the song pulk/pull revolving doors) Bjork, Blur, Bowie, INXS, Killing Joke, Mogwai, My bloody valentine, sigur ros, the smiths (yes its because of radiofred) , 80's music, jazz, good ambient stuff.. that sort of ****.

[TheWoobs]

and the bloody Doors, jesus man.

And I also wanted to voice; Ali G, your picture of Dungeon Master ****ing ROCKS! You are wise for one of so few years

[TragicHero]

<<How'd you know that the Papa Roach guy didn't say all that to try and shed the "we're in it for the money" tag they now have?>>

This is a good point, I assume that it wasn't because of the tone the interview was written in, the interviewer talks to a lot of bands and probably has a fairer judgement of people then most... the tone the article is written in suggests that the intervier believed what they said.

The other piece of evidence is that they were offered to do this big tribute thing by covering one of a big band's songs, losts of other bands were invoved but they felt that the songs they attempted to cover didnt sit with them well artistically or something like that... they were reluctant to talk about this but the interviewer pleaded.

<<If that thing with Linkin Park is true, about removing guitar solo's, im suprised any of you are suprised. There are a few bands that begin to get fame then don't take it further and get richer and richer, although editing your work purely for money shows they aren't musicians at all, there buisnessmen.>>

The thing that is sh*t about linkin park are their drums... the drums suck, simple and even i could play them with a couple of hours work.
The guitar riffs aren't especially complex either but they work VERY WELL.
The sampling and media is very good.
Linkin park are VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO... unfortunately what they do isnt especially great compared to other things.
Some of the songs on the album are good, some are mediocre and some are, quite frankly, baws.
And yes, I do think linkin park are commercialised, money-grabbing bast*rds.

<<Personally i can't stand any of these nu metal bands, i think the music's crap and generally don't like their attitude to their work but if people like it, who cares - it doesn't affect people such as myself into Pantera/Slayer and the heavier ****.>>

Agreed

<<As long as they (nu metal fans and they like) accept that they are buisness men/women and not primarily musicians.>>

Disagreement... this is not necissarily the case.

I don't care, as long as the people who listen, listen FOR THE MUSIC and NOT for the image.


One more thing, I can't stand the fu*ken things that are like "<band X> wear <designer labels>" <- that fake stuff is total bull.

[Ripe_with_decay]

I never get tired of these threads. No, really.

"I hate nu metal and gimps. They should play metallica and other REAL metal"

I've seen the same thread a hundred times before.

I don't particularly like nu metal either but I don't feel it neccessary to complain about it. Let them listen to what they want, what does it matter to you?

I mean, I'm not a fan of your so called "real metal" either but I don't post a thread bitching about that. I'm sorry, but it just seems like we get a new one of these threads every week or so and I bore easily.

And could you all please try not to digress so much in your posts? It tires me.
Ross

[jumzikal]

prophet i'm right behind ya dude!!!!!
it makes me sad when people that call themselves metallers can't even name one band from the 80's, early nineties.......



be doomed........