Lesbian couples' sperm donor forced to pay child support. - Page 3

hotblonde · 4th December 2007, 4:55pm

If you are going to donate sperm to someone and it's not done via a clinic/anonymous surely these are the finite details that should be completely agreed upon before entering in to the agreement? In fact, even anonymous you'd still have to protect yourself legally, surely?

With regards birth certificates, If the parents are not married a woman cannot arbitrarily add a father's name. The father has to present at the time of registering or if he is absent has to sign a declaration document stating that he is the father and the mother can use that. So if he is on the birth certificate, that in itself is admission he is a father and according to the law as of 4 May 2006, "if an unmarried father jointly registers the birth of his child with the child's mother he will automatically acquire parental responsibilities and rights towards the child".

I'm not clear tho' was he on the birth certificate or not? I'm going with he isn't on it.

Nieriel · 4th December 2007, 5:08pm

That's the bit we're unsure on.

Bunnylingus · 4th December 2007, 5:09pm

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Originally Posted by hotblonde

If you are going to donate sperm to someone and it's not done via a clinic/anonymous surely these are the finite details that should be completely agreed upon before entering in to the agreement? In fact, even anonymous you'd still have to protect yourself legally, surely?

With regards birth certificates, If the parents are not married a woman cannot arbitrarily add a father's name. The father has to present at the time of registering or if he is absent has to sign a declaration document stating that he is the father and the mother can use that. So if he is on the birth certificate, that in itself is admission he is a father and according to the law as of 4 May 2006, "if an unmarried father jointly registers the birth of his child with the child's mother he will automatically acquire parental responsibilities and rights towards the child".

I'm not clear tho' was he on the birth certificate or not? I'm going with he isn't on it.

Im wondering if he was aware of any of the financial implications.

hotblonde · 4th December 2007, 6:13pm

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Originally Posted by Bunnylingus

Im wondering if he was aware of any of the financial implications.

In such a litigation aware society, he sounds like he's not been too bright there. I mean having a child willingly, in fact going out of your way to conceive is no matter to be entered into lightly. Sounds like he's a bit of an idiot.
For that and that reason alone, he deserves all he gets, or rather what the female in question can get out of him.

I'm not sure I believe the female tale of being forced by the CSA to provide the father's details...all she had to say was she didn't know. It must happen and isn't something the CSA aren't aware of.

Definitely sounds like a poorly conceived (bad pun) deal gone wrong.

Witch · 4th December 2007, 6:19pm

The thing with any benefits you're on that the state pay is that you MUST make a claim for child support, this rule will be changing when they change the name to the new agency but at the moment you dont get a choice, the article also says at the bottom "Only men who donate sperm through licensed fertility clinics are not considered the legal father of any child born as a result of a donation." which is correct

hotblonde · 4th December 2007, 6:24pm

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Originally Posted by Witch

"Only men who donate sperm through licensed fertility clinics are not considered the legal father of any child born as a result of a donation." which is correct

I know this bit and I agree with this bit. The guy in this case was being naive, stupid and naive. I'm not totally familiar with the benefit system, but what I'm suggesting is for example, if you are a bit of an absent minded female who woke up next to some stranger and then a few weeks later realised she was pregnant, how do the income support folk get the unaswerable question answered? Or alternatively, you have multiple partners who are not willing to be tested?

Witch · 4th December 2007, 6:29pm

Theres a way say for instance if a girl has a drunken one night stand that she can have this taken into consideration and therefore a claim will be made to the CSA and put to one side, if she had multiple partners, we would call all of them she stated to see who the father was, its such a fun job, if they all deny it the case would be closed and referred back to the benefit agency.

hotblonde · 4th December 2007, 6:32pm

Just thought of another one - rape victims. Are rapists liable to make CSA payments?

Semprini · 4th December 2007, 6:53pm

So the moral of this story appears to be to get it in writing.

On a total tangent, every so often the news says that there's a shortage of sperm donors, but never mentions where people who want a bit of extra cash after reading the article can sign up.

Anyone know how you go about it?

sickgirl · 4th December 2007, 6:57pm

if you go here you can get some information. I think you even get paid!

http://www.ngdt.co.uk/sperm-donation/

endless psych · 4th December 2007, 6:58pm

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Originally Posted by sickgirl

if you go here you can get some information. I think you even get paid!

http://www.ngdt.co.uk/sperm-donation/

I'd be worried about losing my amateur status.

McLeary · 5th December 2007, 1:12am

I'm gonna pretend that I never just read big Semp saying he was going to wank into a cup for money and simply say that the man from the article probably thought he was getting a ride or maybe a threesome and now he's really paying the price.

The moral of the story: never trust a lesbian.

¡Punk! · 5th December 2007, 1:48am

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I'd be worried about losing my amateur status.

Don't worry mate it aint an Olympic sport.

I was discussing this with a couple of lesbians I know a while back where I offered my services in such an event if they bought the turkey baster. In the unlikely event that they were going out, wanted a kid and I done the deed and then, a few years later, this came up I'm sure we could find a way to get around all this pish. For instance whatever the CSA is taking out my account the "other mum" could just put back in. A bit of common sense and the ability to leech the system at will would make this a non-story.

endless psych · 5th December 2007, 2:27am

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Originally Posted by ¡Punk!

Don't worry mate it aint an Olympic sport.

With logos like this...

YouTube - London 2012 Olympic Games Logo Design...

It can't be too long till they introduce a singles event to match the cockless pairs...

endless psych · 5th December 2007, 2:56am

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Originally Posted by ¡Punk!

For instance whatever the CSA is taking out my account the "other mum" could just put back in. A bit of common sense and the ability to leech the system at will would make this a non-story.

Unless the other mum buggers off free of any legal responsibility for their regretfully spawned brat...