Vote 2008 - The Caucuses - Page 6

Hammer · 20th February 2008, 1:59pm

The number of states taken doesn't really matter. Delegates are distributed using PR, so it's quite possible for a democrat to win the nomination without leading in a majority of the states.

The Superdelegate issue compounds this.

Addy · 20th February 2008, 2:05pm

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The number of states taken doesn't really matter. Delegates are distributed using PR, so it's quite possible for a democrat to win the nomination without leading in a majority of the states.

The Superdelegate issue compounds this.

I know, but as Ohio and Texas are big states if he could get both he would only extend his lead, and even a narrow defeat could be a bit of a pain for Clinton. As she's currently behind a big win is definitely quite important. Even just psychologically as much as anything else.

Hammer · 25th February 2008, 9:13am

Nader has announced that he's running for President again. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7261670.stm

Stew · 25th February 2008, 4:21pm

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Nader has announced that he's running for President again. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7261670.stm

Why does it seem like third party alternatives are always pathetic old men?

Nader will be a non-factor no matter what happens. He was firmly established as such years prior to this election and will remain such until the day comes when every single candidate but him is simultaneously killed the week before the election by choking on poorly chewed infant flesh on national television. Even then, there are several write-in candidates who would give him a run for his money.

Semprini · 25th February 2008, 7:06pm

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Even then, there are several write-in candidates who would give him a run for his money.

Vote Ficus!

sikswifey · 1st March 2008, 10:30pm

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If I had to pick one, I'd go for Ron Paul, because I'd love to see how he'd apply his Libertarian beliefs in office.

Hell yes. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who has the right ideas to put this country back on track. It's a shame he probably wont win. Of course he is doing better than the mainstream media would like you to think, but at the same time, probably not well enough to win the presidency. Thanks to the dumb-downed, illiterate, brainwashed society, that is America, I'm sure we will continue down the path we are currently on. Which unfortunately leads to the loss of all freedoms and rise of a tyrannical goverment. Way to go Americans. .

Hammer · 2nd March 2008, 3:04am

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Hell yes. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who has the right ideas to put this country back on track. It's a shame he probably wont win. Of course he is doing better than the mainstream media would like you to think, but at the same time, probably not well enough to win the presidency. Thanks to the dumb-downed, illiterate, brainwashed society, that is America, I'm sure we will continue down the path we are currently on. Which unfortunately leads to the loss of all freedoms and rise of a tyrannical goverment. Way to go Americans. .

Because leaving the UN and cutting off trade with our countries is the smartest move in world?

We ain't living in the 17th century anymore. Laisse Faire will never work again.

Addy · 2nd March 2008, 4:11am

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Which unfortunately leads to the loss of all freedoms and rise of a tyrannical goverment. Way to go Americans. .

Fantastic to see you keeping a level head, viewing things sensibly and proportionately with even the vaguest hint of reality...

Addy · 4th March 2008, 6:33pm

Today's the day for Texas and Ohio - this could be critical.

Stew · 4th March 2008, 7:07pm

Recommendation: Daily Show with Jon Stewart had Hillary on it. Lol-tastic.

Addy · 5th March 2008, 12:17am

Even though it's pretty much irrelevant, Obama got Vermont, the first of the four states to declare.

James · 5th March 2008, 11:46am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7276305.stm

Hilary is projected to take the other three states

Hammer · 5th March 2008, 11:49am

...with Obama managing to maintain his miniscule lead.

Democrats are going to get fucked over if this circus carries on much longer. The Republicans are at the point of starting their Presidential campaign now, while it's going to be three months or so before the Democrats can get to the same stage.

Stew · 5th March 2008, 12:57pm

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Democrats are going to get fucked over if this circus carries on much longer. The Republicans are at the point of starting their Presidential campaign now, while it's going to be three months or so before the Democrats can get to the same stage.

I see where you are coming from here, but in comparison to the Republican front-runner who will be 76-years-old at the end of a possible first term the Democrats have two youthful and energetic candidates vying it out for their party's nomination; it can only be a good thing for American politics and the publicity for this close-run battle could be the very thing to get interest back into the political process and get more people to see that maybe a change could be a good thing for their country.

So, I'm clearly an idealist.

Hammer · 5th March 2008, 1:20pm

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I see where you are coming from here, but in comparison to the Republican front-runner who will be 76-years-old at the end of a possible first term the Democrats have two youthful and energetic candidates vying it out for their party's nomination; it can only be a good thing for American politics and the publicity for this close-run battle could be the very thing to get interest back into the political process and get more people to see that maybe a change could be a good thing for their country..

Actually, I was thinking purely of the logistics and funding in my previous post, but you raise an interesting point.
Political burnout in voters due to very extended campaigns is quite common in America, and has happened in the 70s and 80s. The way in which the media present near blanket political coverage can also be a problem for the parties.
Also, I don't find Clinton young or energetic - to me, she feels very much like a continuation of the Bush/Clinton era - as much same-old, same-old as some of the more obscure Dem and GoP candidates.

I don't think that McCain's age will be much of a factor. For a 76 year old, he seems surprisingly lively. Reagan was about the same age as well. He also does present quite a break with the past 15 years of Republican policy.