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5th February 2008, 3:03pm
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#1 | | Experimental stooge
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| Politics and mob rule.
This thread will likely be a crushing dissapointment to most.
The recent anonymous versus scientology thing and the fact that worldwide demonstrations (across 217 sites) may in fact occur without any central organisational body or the like has set my mind a thinking.
I rememeber watching a documentary about a political theorist under house arrest in Italy, initially I thought Antonio Negri but it doesn't seem to fit, had proposed a new system of government entailing a kind of "mob rule". (Which potentially the relative success of this here anonymous wotsit could predict...)
But from a cursory glance at wiki (as reliable as it ever is) it looks like I either have the wrong guy or the wrong end of the stick.
Anyone more informed want to opine?
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5th February 2008, 7:06pm
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#2 | | Sith Triumvir Moderator
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
It all depends on what you mean by 'mob'.
If the mob are the majority and allowing those not in a mob basic freedoms and representation, then we're looking at a democracy. Types of Fascism, Communism, Republicanism etc are all forms of mob rule. | |
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5th February 2008, 7:13pm
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#3 | | Experimental stooge
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
It was along the lines of mob rule as a concept outside of traditional forms of government. It may have been some sort of psuedo-feudal anarchist type thing. 
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5th February 2008, 7:46pm
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#4 | | Pos-Reprehensible
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
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Originally Posted by endless psych  It was along the lines of mob rule as a concept outside of traditional forms of government. It may have been some sort of psuedo-feudal anarchist type thing. | I've been looking on the Italian sites to see if I can find anything about this, and have come across an "Anarchist Wikipedia" instead. What a very strange concept.
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5th February 2008, 7:57pm
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#5 | | Better not to err
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
Mob rule is without a doubt the most effective form of local government. | |
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5th February 2008, 8:16pm
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#6 | | Pos-Reprehensible
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
Is there any chance that you have Antonio Negri confused with Antonio Gramsci? I really don't know enough about him to say whether he touched on the subject of mob rule, I really am just making a wild guess here. I'm probably wrong.
EDIT: Aye. Wrong.
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5th February 2008, 8:21pm
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#7 | | Better not to err
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
Gramsci's pretty old school (i.e. writer, rather than activist) I'm guessing it would be Negri if it was either of the two. | |
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5th February 2008, 8:26pm
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#8 | | Experimental stooge
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
It was Negri (thank you google image search) so I reckon I've probably misremembered or misunderstood whatever he was saying.
(based on the info I can find on him and his theories)
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5th February 2008, 8:39pm
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#9 | | **********
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
Rome is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they'll be distracted. | |
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7th February 2008, 10:26pm
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#10 | | borte, ikke glemt
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
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Originally Posted by Dario ...an "Anarchist Wikipedia" instead. What a very strange concept. | Hahaha, when I started workin in the Note, I notice an ad that someone had put up for an anarchists dayschool. Not kidding. It was for somewhere in the west end, no doubt run by crusties.
A set day, time, venue and syllabus, to "learn" how to be an anarchist... FANNIES!!!
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8th February 2008, 1:30pm
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#11 | | Purple Haze
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
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Originally Posted by slicer A set day, time, venue and syllabus, to "learn" how to be an anarchist...FANNIES!!! | Yeah man, yeah! Like, being organised is sooo oppressive.
On topic, is this related to the idea's in Multitude: War and Democracy in the Age of Empire? Keep meaning to check it out, I've got a good bit of respect for Negri and his ideas even if I don't always agree with them.
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8th February 2008, 2:33pm
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#12 | | Experimental stooge
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
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Originally Posted by metallideth On topic, is this related to the idea's in Multitude: War and Democracy in the Age of Empire? Keep meaning to check it out, I've got a good bit of respect for Negri and his ideas even if I don't always agree with them. | I think it maybe - tbh its from a half remembered snippet probably half remembered wrongly because of the way it came to mind.
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8th February 2008, 2:37pm
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#13 | | Punisher Moderator
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
Not a big fan of Mob Rules.
It was such a let down after Heaven and Hell.
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23rd February 2008, 3:58pm
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#14 | | Registered User
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
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Originally Posted by MarkMono Mob rule is without a doubt the most effective form of local government. | Goodness no. How many roving bands of pirates patrol your local municipality streets? Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer It all depends on what you mean by 'mob'. | Mob doesn't come in flavors. Quote: |
If the mob are the majority and allowing those not in a mob basic freedoms and representation, then we're looking at a democracy.
| uh sure run with that. Quote: |
Types of Fascism, Communism are all forms of mob rule.
| your marathon hit the brick wall of wrongness. While communism sounds super awesome on paper, and to the particularly dim seems to offer some kind of goodness to the mere people, it is NEVER successful and ALWAYS devolves into tyranny. huh?
Were you reaching for "democratic republic"?
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23rd February 2008, 4:10pm
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#15 | | Sith Triumvir Moderator
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| Re: Politics and mob rule.
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Originally Posted by fantatastic Mob doesn't come in flavors. | Yes it does. People form a mob to achieve a goal in some way shape or form. You can have a pro-Democracy mob or a pro-Monarchy mob that's going to appoint a monarch and then ensure that the will of the monarch is carried out etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by fantatastic your marathon hit the brick wall of wrongness. While communism sounds super awesome on paper, and to the particularly dim seems to offer some kind of goodness to the mere people, it is NEVER successful and ALWAYS devolves into tyranny. | No-one was debating the practicalities of Communism, however on paper, the end result of a Marxist revolution could very well be described as mob rule. Quote:
Originally Posted by fantatastic huh?
Were you reaching for "democratic republic"? | There are several types of republic. Republicanism is just an umbrella term. | |
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