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I'm all for independance 10 37.04%
I'm against independance 14 51.85%
I'm undecided/don't care 2 7.41%
We'll have independance by 2010 0 0%
We'll have independance by 2020 4 14.81%
We'll have independance by 2030 3 11.11%
We'll have independance by 2040 0 0%
We'll have independance by 2050 0 0%
We'll have independance one day but not in my lifetime 2 7.41%
We'll never have independance 0 0%
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Old 8th February 2008, 6:32pm   #31
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Re: Scottish Independance

I love the English language but really, who gives two tugs of a flying pigs cock?
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Old 8th February 2008, 6:52pm   #33
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Re: Scottish Independance

Touchay.
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Old 8th February 2008, 6:54pm   #34
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Re: Scottish Independance

Independence is inevitable - it's going to happen within the next 10-15 years if Scots want it or not.

English Nationalism is growing too rapidly and there is a growing resentment towards the Scots, Welsh and Irish. Trust me, the Tories and Labour in Westminster have done more work towards independence in the past 20 years, then the SNP ever have.

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USSR split, wow look how well off all the individual states did......
Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania etc, all high prosperous micro-states. Seems like separatation from the USSR worked out pretty well for them.

The near independance enjoyed by the Basque and Catalan regions of Spain also sets a clear precedent.

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Shame the poles dont agree, leaving their country like the plague is coming.
And going back after 5 years, having made enough money to set themselves up in business.

Scots have been doing that with Canada and America for the best part of 200 years.



It's also worth noting that some theorists see increased regionalisation in the West as a natural reaction to the cultural shifts brought on by Globalisation. As cultures from different countries merge, people cease to identify with larger national groups, resulting in identifying with people closer to their home and with similar concerns instead.
This seems to be seen as a positive thing, as it theoretically gives people more control of their local areas, and harkens back to the Athenian city-states, albeit on a larger scale.
It's possible that in 50 years time, we'll be living in a European Federation, with hundreds, if not thousands, of regional divisions.

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Re: Scottish Independance

Growing resentment towards Scots Welsh and Irish? Where?
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Growing resentment towards Scots Welsh and Irish? Where?
Well, according to Professor Bill Miller's recent study of Multicultural Nationalism, in England, directed towards the Scots because we have a proportionally greater say in English affairs and what is perceived to be social advantages (ie free care for the elderly, no University tuition fees etc).

There has also been ill-feeling generated over the Barnett Formula, which is seen to give Scotland a disproportionally high amount of money compared to the rest of the UK.

I was reading a good paper on it the other week, I'll see if I can find a link to it.
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And going back after 5 years, having made enough money to set themselves up in business.

Scots have been doing that with Canada and America for the best part of 200 years.
A little clumsily put, but an extremely insightful point.

Why do you edit in that paragraph of tripe after it? I was all impressed for a good few minutes.
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A little clumsily put, but an extremely insightful point.

Why do you edit in that paragraph of tripe after it? I was all impressed for a good few minutes.
I though people might be interested in it. I don't personally agree that regionalisation is something that's going to become common - it seems to much like a hip theory that up and coming sociologists use to try and get their feet in the door of decent Unis.
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Re: Scottish Independance

I was just annoyed becuase you genuinely impressed me (until I refreshed the page.) as its a point that the majority of people seem to forget. Not all immigrants stay in your country, its not going to become full to bursting or anything like that.
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Re: Scottish Independance

What can I say, I went to Uni and became even more of an annoying asshole.

But aye, the press like to make out that it's some kind of invasion and we have wall to wall immigrants living here, which is a load of nonsense.

The economy would probably go into meltdown if they all left.
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I'm going to sit here and wait for the english backlash then. Come round to mine for a cup of tea when I'm proved wrong
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It's not like we're going to be facing an armed uprising against the Scots and Gordon Brown being hung, drawn and quartered outside Westminster. More like a persistent grumbling and a "Well, if they want a parliament and money why don't they just bugger off and do it" kind of attitude - basically English support for a new devolution settlement.

Having a Scottish Prime Minster and Chancellor probably doesn't help matters, because they don't have control over the laws in their own constituencies and that can be used to great effect by the media. You've also got the pair of them voting on laws which only affect England and Wales.
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Scotland has the right to independence, and it is the way forward. I vow to bring an Independent, successful and wealthy Scotland in the coming years.

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Re: Scottish Independance

North Sea oil is a huge asset but there's no way that Westminster is just gonna say "Well you voted for independence, here's yer oil fields back.". The whole thing would be a very messy affair. I used to be really pro-independence but I think the initial 10/20 years after any split would be really tough on the country, economic depression is a possibility. Right now I think we should stay as part of the Union but with continued and even extended devolved powers to Holyrood. We have a good balance for now.

I think a great deal of people who believe in independence see a dream scenario and watch a lot of Braveheart.

ps- I agree that it's inevitable though.

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