Rehabilitation - Page 2

Euronymous · 26th March 2008, 7:41pm

If i was this would be some amount of forward planning to create my acount 6 and a half years ago.

Posh · 26th March 2008, 7:43pm

He was joking.

Puppy · 26th March 2008, 7:44pm

aye but Scapey's got long term thinking like that

Euronymous · 26th March 2008, 7:48pm

i know he was joking. i was also joking.

Posh · 26th March 2008, 7:55pm

All those rapists you just sentenced to death were also joking.

Euronymous · 26th March 2008, 9:03pm

Wel looks like the jokes on them then!

thetruemayhem · 26th March 2008, 11:46pm

An eye for an eye will leave us all blind (or at least without depth perception).

t.

TSR · 27th March 2008, 8:51am

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Originally Posted by LesMTS

If there's a chance to help someone rather than to destroy them, shouldn't we go for the former the option? What purpose does destroying the person serve (be that execution, or a more subtle form of destruction) other than to satisfy some primitive need for vengeance

--i want to stress first that this post does not mean to convey my thoughts on the matter. given my past posts i can see how it could be taken to be, but it's not--

it's not necessarily about vengeance, though. if they're going to go through the system and still be detrimental to so society, then why waste the money on The System (for more serious offenders, at least). we're not exactly suffering froma population shortage & there's plenty of unemployment about. if all they'd end up contributing is a few pounds in tax, then why bother wasting the money on them? i doubt they'd ever contribute back the money spent on them

therefore, not about vengeance, but about economics

**** again, not my actual views on the topic ****

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Originally Posted by thetruemayhem

An eye for an eye will leave us all blind (or at least without depth perception).

t.

or make a very polite society

'specially if you make it "a life for an eye"

djbarry · 27th March 2008, 9:01am

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Originally Posted by LesMTS

What kind of horrible society would it be that thought the preferable option was to actively not try to get the best out of someone?

Texas?

Euronymous · 27th March 2008, 11:44am

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therefore, not about vengeance, but about economics

**** again, not my actual views on the topic ****

thats what i meant

**LesMTS** · 27th March 2008, 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by Euronymous

thats what i meant

So human worth is measured in pounds and pennies?
There are other ways in which a life can be worthwhile.

**LesMTS** · 27th March 2008, 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by TSR

it's not necessarily about vengeance, though. if they're going to go through the system and still be detrimental to so society

Also, remember that the question is "should we allow for rehabilitation" not "should we give everyone a second chance".

TSR · 27th March 2008, 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by LesMTS

So human worth is measured in pounds and pennies?

indeed.
engineers design buildings with human value (pounds and pennies) in mind. every building/bridge could be built to withstand every eventuality, but that would be very expensive. freak wave/wind hits? you're dead, and all because an engineer decided your life was worth £x

though granted this is a different context

TSR · 27th March 2008, 12:54pm

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Originally Posted by LesMTS

Also, remember that the question is "should we allow for rehabilitation" not "should we give everyone a second chance".

true.
since i've been arguing the economic value of life i'll continue along that line

a murderer could be given a job in the army as a front line troop, but could you trust him? an experienced drug smuggler could have flying/boating/technical skills - is there a demand for his skills in that particular sector?

economically, allowing for rehab in those cases could make sense

however, if you kill someone off because their rehab is un-economical, then you're going to be left with the question: "could this guy have invented something as revolutionary as the wheel"

**LesMTS** · 27th March 2008, 1:03pm

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Originally Posted by TSR

true.
since i've been arguing the economic value of life i'll continue along that line

a murderer could be given a job in the army as a front line troop, but could you trust him? an experienced drug smuggler could have flying/boating/technical skills - is there a demand for his skills in that particular sector?

economically, allowing for rehab in those cases could make sense

however, if you kill someone off because their rehab is un-economical, then you're going to be left with the question: "could this guy have invented something as revolutionary as the wheel"

I like this idea of giving criminals jobs that are thematically linked to their crimes.
Why couldn't a rehabilitated murderer be given a job as a postman? Or a pie-maker? Or a waitress?