Alternative Nation
Go Back   Alternative Nation > Lounge > Current Affairs, Debate & Politics

Notices

Current Affairs, Debate & Politics Everyone has an opinion so why not post it here and let's get a debate going.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 3rd April 2008, 5:54pm   #1
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 26,956
Stew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy moves
Tony Blair: Solve world's problems with faith!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7327623.stm
Quote:
Former prime minister Tony Blair is to call for faith to be given a central role in tackling the world's problems.

In a speech at Westminster Cathedral, Mr Blair will say failure to engage with religious groups will drive believers to apathy or fundamentalism.
Mr Blair, who recently converted to Catholicism, will outline the role of his Faith Foundation for young people. Anti-war protesters from Stop The War Coalition have pledged to drown out the speech with a "wall of sound". Catholic peace group Pax Christi also plan a silent protest before the speech.

Since stepping down as prime minister last summer, Mr Blair has become a Roman Catholic and is now a Middle East peace envoy. He told the BBC last year his faith had been "hugely important" to his premiership but said he had been wary of talking about it because "frankly, people do think you're a nutter". In his speech this evening, he will warn that while societies across the world are adapting to meet the challenges of globalisation, religion is coping less well. It faces an internal division between fundamentalism and those who believe religion is a spent force. He will describe the aims of his Faith Foundation, due to be launched this year.

Mr Blair is one of a series of speakers on faith and various aspects of life in Britain, which also includes the Conservative frontbencher William Hague and BBC director general Mark Thompson. The archbishop of Westminster, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, said "It is important that the Catholic church engages with society in a positive and creative way and provides a public space for debate about religion. "The role of faith in our society cannot be ignored and I hope that the debate these lectures stimulate will highlight the crucial role faith can play in contributing to the common good. " But the Stop the War Coalition say they want to hold Mr Blair to account over his role in the Iraq war with their noisy protest. Pax Christi says its silent vigil will "call to mind and to public attention, Tony Blair's involvement in the Iraq War and ongoing occupation". It also opposes his involvement in the decision to replace Britain's Trident nuclear weapons system "and other aspects of his premiership that have created global polarity".
He really seems determined to become the religious nutter he says he feared being seen as while he was in office. It wouldn't bother me if he was dissolving into insignificance, but he isn't! It seems that he's been getting even more international responsibility since he left office (ironic really, as he long since lost any credibility he had in the UK).

I really hope this is just a phase of post-official popularity that will die down, because the last thing the world needs is Blair whizzing around the globe spending his new-found millions on poking his own brand of religious nutcaseism into every place he thinks might need it.
Stew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd April 2008, 6:36pm   #2
the quintessential outlaw
 
supernothing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: rollin' deep
Posts: 7,609
Blog Entries: 4
Images: 18
supernothing is a name known to allsupernothing is a name known to allsupernothing is a name known to allsupernothing is a name known to allsupernothing is a name known to allsupernothing is a name known to all
Send a message via MSN to supernothing
Re: Tony Blair: Solve world's problems with faith!

Great eh! The solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict = MORE religion.
Cheers, Tony
__________________
arms my only ornament
my only rest - the fight
supernothing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd April 2008, 7:56pm   #3
The Oncoming Storm
Editor
Moderator
 
Hammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: RFS Ravager
Posts: 15,737
Images: 229
Hammer has it in spades, whatever it isHammer has it in spades, whatever it isHammer has it in spades, whatever it isHammer has it in spades, whatever it isHammer has it in spades, whatever it isHammer has it in spades, whatever it isHammer has it in spades, whatever it isHammer has it in spades, whatever it is
Send a message via MSN to Hammer
Re: Tony Blair: Solve world's problems with faith!

Anon Vs Tony Blair?

At least Blair doesn't have the direct power anymore (well...except in the Middle East...and US Unis...and a major bank...etc), and hopefully once Bush is out in November he'll loose a good more bit of influence.

It's no wonder that Brown is trying to build bridges with Sarkozy.

In ten years time we'll probably all be cursing him as much as we curse Thatcher.
Hammer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd April 2008, 11:51pm   #4
EVIL/NICE.
 
Draven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 3,420
Draven is Deadly!Draven is Deadly!Draven is Deadly!
Send a message via MSN to Draven
Re: Tony Blair: Solve world's problems with faith!

See, he really is a religious nutter now. It seems to be like sexual repression, once it comes out you just can't help it.
__________________



Every time I'm right a little part of you dies.
Draven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th April 2008, 6:48am   #5
Oh Captain My Captain
 
Semprini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Airstrip One
Posts: 26,622
Images: 105
Semprini wins at lifeSemprini wins at lifeSemprini wins at lifeSemprini wins at lifeSemprini wins at lifeSemprini wins at lifeSemprini wins at lifeSemprini wins at lifeSemprini wins at lifeSemprini wins at lifeSemprini wins at life
Send a message via ICQ to Semprini Send a message via AIM to Semprini Send a message via MSN to Semprini Send a message via Yahoo to Semprini Send a message via Skype™ to Semprini
Re: Tony Blair: Solve world's problems with faith!

I can only hope people have learned their lesson from his time and PM and simply ignore him.

Quote:
The role of faith in our society cannot be ignored and I hope that the debate these lectures stimulate will highlight the crucial role faith can play in contributing to the common good.
"...while glossing over the fact that it's to blame for many of the world's problems", he tried not to add.
__________________
http://semprini.blogspot.com
Semprini is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th April 2008, 8:52am   #6
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 26,956
Stew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy movesStew has all the fancy moves
Re: Tony Blair: Solve world's problems with faith!

Quote:
Originally Posted by D.G.E. View Post
See, he really is a religious nutter now. It seems to be like sexual repression, once it comes out you just can't help it.
I wonder if before we went to war with Iraq Blair prayed to God, because if he did God gave him some pretty shitty advice.
Stew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th April 2008, 9:53am   #7
Fattly Drawn Boy
SuperMod
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Dundee
Posts: 16,320
Blog Entries: 1
Images: 285
LesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth it
Send a message via MSN to LesMTS
Re: Tony Blair: Solve world's problems with faith!

He seems to be suggesting that people engage with religion so that religious people don't feel marginalised, not that religion should come back to the heart of society. Having more breathing room for open debate between faiths and between the faithful and those without religion is surely a good thing, no?
Deeply religious people exist, that's not going to change any time soon. If collisions of faith cause problems, pushing the issue under the carpet is just going to exacerbate them. Space for dialogue is important.
Blair's a twat, but I see nothing scary here.
__________________
If Schrodinger had a cat, it would definitely be dead by now.
LesMTS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 4th April 2008, 10:00am   #8
Socially Unconscious
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 3,261
Images: 5
thetruemayhem has more friends than you :pthetruemayhem has more friends than you :p
Send a message via MSN to thetruemayhem
Re: Tony Blair: Solve world's problems with faith!

Let's get all the problems of the world sorted with self-delusion!

t.
__________________
blah
thetruemayhem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th April 2008, 10:04am   #9
Fattly Drawn Boy
SuperMod
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Dundee
Posts: 16,320
Blog Entries: 1
Images: 285
LesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth itLesMTS wonders if it was all worth it
Send a message via MSN to LesMTS
Re: Tony Blair: Solve world's problems with faith!

Quote:
Originally Posted by thetruemayhem View Post
Let's get all the problems of the world sorted with self-delusion!

t.
It's absolutely irrelevant for the time being whether we think they're deluded or not.
Like I said, deeply religious people exist. In their millions. That's not going to change in our lifetime. And ignoring them or patronising them because we think they're "deluded" is not going to help friction stemming from faith, which is very real, one bit. Faith is core to some people.
If Blair wants to create space for dialogue and debate, more power to him in that regard.
__________________
If Schrodinger had a cat, it would definitely be dead by now.
LesMTS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 4th April 2008, 11:46am   #10
TSR
Destroyer of Worlds
 
TSR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 4,039
Images: 4
TSR = 2nd BestTSR = 2nd BestTSR = 2nd Best
Re: Tony Blair: Solve world's problems with faith!

i agree with Les (this time )

as long as he's going to acknowledge all religion, not just christianity
__________________
<a rel=http://content.altnation.com/gallery...7/5/TSRSig.jpg" border="0" />

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shannow View Post
I think I'd still rather suck down a cockful of AIDS than deliberately go and see the Strokes.
TSR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th April 2008, 7:52pm   #11
Registered User
 
PrincessGarnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 671
Images: 4
PrincessGarnet bribes other users to get good reputation
Re: Tony Blair: Solve world's problems with faith!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stew View Post
I wonder if before we went to war with Iraq Blair prayed to God, because if he did God gave him some pretty shitty advice.
actually i remember seeing an interview where he said he did do that. It was around the time he was converting to Catholicism. It really shocked me as I didn't even know he was religious.
__________________
I never trust a man who doesn't drink
PrincessGarnet is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks
Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Pangea 



 Classic Grand Advert





Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0.0
Advertisement
   



All times are GMT +0. The time now is 9:46pm.

Forums Directory
Copyright 2000-2008, Alternative Nation

SEO by vBSEO 3.1.0 ©2007, Crawlability, Inc.
Page generated in 0.68979 seconds with 15 queries