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6th May 2008, 9:07pm
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#16 | | Experimental stooge
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| Re: Wendy Alexander U-Turns On Independence Referendum
I don't think anyone would vote against increased autonomy. | 
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6th May 2008, 9:07pm
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#17 | | Changed Man V4
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| Re: Wendy Alexander U-Turns On Independence Referendum
I remember Pantgirl said it scared here but that's the only person I've heard mentioning devolution in a negative context for years.
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6th May 2008, 9:13pm
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#18 | | EVIL/NICE.
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| Re: Wendy Alexander U-Turns On Independence Referendum
I do agree with the increased devolution. But I do agree with what's been said in I can't see Westminster particularly wanting to give up more power to Scotland. Would create one hell of an awkward situation if the Scottish people vote for more devolution, and it was refused by Westminster.
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6th May 2008, 9:21pm
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#19 | | The man from Del Monte
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| Re: Wendy Alexander U-Turns On Independence Referendum
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Originally Posted by endless psych  I don't think anyone would vote against increased autonomy. | aside from (rather large field of ) increased fiscal autonomy there's not much scope for that. I dont see Westminster giving MSPs a free rein on Drugs policy, foreign affairs or (heaven forbid) social security
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6th May 2008, 10:07pm
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#20 | | Experimental stooge
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| Re: Wendy Alexander U-Turns On Independence Referendum
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Originally Posted by XMachina aside from (rather large field of ) increased fiscal autonomy there's not much scope for that. I dont see Westminster giving MSPs a free rein on Drugs policy, foreign affairs or (heaven forbid) social security | Foriegn affairs and social security would likely be reserved.
But drug policy and the like? Hell if we can make our own laws... | |
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6th May 2008, 10:22pm
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#21 | | kellermeister
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| Re: Wendy Alexander U-Turns On Independence Referendum
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Originally Posted by Zooropa Is there a set question yet that would be asked? | As you allude to, it's all about how it's phrased. I remember reading if Alec Salmond's preferred phrasing was used, support for independence is pretty high, around 40%. If it's more like 'Scotland will become a separate state from the UK', support drops to around 20. With Labour currently in freefall, there's no telling where public support for it will be in a couple of years.
It's a brave move by Wendy Alexander, she knows she could probably win a vote if it was held today, but then again support for 'Eck is something like 70 points above her own. Unless she does a double U-turn there will definately be a referendum on independence by 2011.
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7th May 2008, 12:15pm
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#22 | | The man from Del Monte
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| Re: Wendy Alexander U-Turns On Independence Referendum
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Originally Posted by endless psych Foriegn affairs and social security would likely be reserved.
But drug policy and the like? Hell if we can make our own laws... | Westminster would allow Scotland to set up it's own space programme before allowing them to write their own drugs policy. The headline value alone of Scotland being a soft touch compared to the UK and vice versa is enough to mean that drugs will remain a reserved matter.
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7th May 2008, 3:05pm
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#23 | | Experimental stooge
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| Re: Wendy Alexander U-Turns On Independence Referendum
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Originally Posted by XMachina Westminster would allow Scotland to set up it's own space programme before allowing them to write their own drugs policy. The headline value alone of Scotland being a soft touch compared to the UK and vice versa is enough to mean that drugs will remain a reserved matter. | If law isn't a reserved matter how could drugs policy be a reserved matter?
Indeed this sort of thing makes me wonder if Drugs policy is in fact a reserved matter... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7229164.stm | |
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7th May 2008, 3:08pm
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#24 | | EVIL/NICE.
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| Re: Wendy Alexander U-Turns On Independence Referendum
Brown got ripped to fuck by Cameron as a result of Alexander's call, linky linky watch the video.
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7th May 2008, 3:09pm
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#25 | | The man from Del Monte
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7th May 2008, 3:14pm
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#26 | | Experimental stooge
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1. The UK Parliament has responsibility for drug misuse legislation, which covers the UK, and also for the drug aspects of foreign, defence and Customs and Excise policy. The Scottish Parliament has responsibility for tackling drugs misuse through education, health initiatives, rehabilitation, prevention and enforcement.
| Call me a pedant but that to me does not imply drugs policy is a reserved matter. Drug misuse legislation aye but thats a tiny bit of drugs policy in toto. | |
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7th May 2008, 3:21pm
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#27 | | Experimental stooge
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| Re: Wendy Alexander U-Turns On Independence Referendum
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Originally Posted by mysterio As you allude to, it's all about how it's phrased. I remember reading if Alec Salmond's preferred phrasing was used, support for independence is pretty high, around 40%. If it's more like 'Scotland will become a separate state from the UK', support drops to around 20. With Labour currently in freefall, there's no telling where public support for it will be in a couple of years.
. | http://www.independence1st.com/content/polls.shtml
Its likely that might not be all the relevent polls though as the site is called independence 1st... | |
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7th May 2008, 4:14pm
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#28 | | Gravitas Free Zone Editor
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Yikes.
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7th May 2008, 6:50pm
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#29 | | Hammer Smashed Face
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The Scottish Parliament has responsibility for tackling drugs misuse through education, health initiatives, rehabilitation, prevention and enforcement.
| So in theory, the Scottish Parliament could instruct the cops and judges not to follow the Westminster laws and sentencing guidelines... | |
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7th May 2008, 7:17pm
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#30 | | Changed Man V4
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| Re: Wendy Alexander U-Turns On Independence Referendum
Similar thing when it came to ID cards.
Westminster wants/ed to make them mandatory to show at point of care in the NHS.
Holyrood said "Cool - but we say you won't need to show them."
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