[Politics] Junior Doctors' Free Accommodation To Be Scrapped (split from WOYM)

[bikuki]

Originally Posted by Witch

Protesting/strike, you knew exactly what i meant, you seem somewhat determined to argue about this, which i am not going to do. I expected you to know the reason, which you seem to do, paying 5k when you never have before is in realistic terms a paycut for people who don't earn as much as you say. After travelling and accomodation its a big difference to people who work hard to save lives.

I did not expect you to agree as i've stated above, I'm also not going to argue, we have both stated out points and that is fair enough.

If you would like to continue this discussion hit the PM button

Cheers Julie

The point many of us have had to make is that throughout university we've been under the impression that we were going to get free accomodation for the first year after university. Due to this, and the fact that we HAVE to work in two completely separate hospitals for the first two years of work (which, in the west of Scotland, one of which must be in the city, and one out of the city), many people bought flats in Glasgow with a view of taking up the peripheral accomodation for the first year, then moving back into Glasgow for the second year onwards. What are those people supposed to do for the year they have to work out of the city? Most of the hospitals are outwith a reasonable commute (Dumfries and Ayr, both fantastic hospitals but not reasonable to commute to from the city every day for an 8.30-7.30 or later shift), so are these people supposed to give up their place on the property ladder? Move out of their established flat to live in what are essentially student digs for a year, to then buy a whole new flat again the next year? Rent out? I found myself in this exact position and thus had to give up my place in Dumfries where many of my friends are working and where I had intended to work for quite a while because I simply couldn't afford to keep my own flat and pay for the single small room, shared kitchen and shared bathroom in Dumfries.

We're not whining about nothing - maybe to you, Kier, free accomodation is a luxury we can afford to do without but you evidently don't understand the finer points of the issue.

[endless psych]

Hud the bus...

Students with large amounts of debt. are affording to buy flats in Glasgow... Many of them in fact...

Your evidently right that I don't understand the finer points of the issue if thats the issue.

Feel free to enlighten me and change my mind.

[bikuki]

You've missed the point - many of us already have flats. Why should we be forced to either give these up or pay for two places of accomodation, neither of which we would be living n full time? If I was working in Dumfries for an indefinite length of time I'd be more than happy to sell my flat at home and buy one in Dumfries, but it's a fixed year then I move back to Glasgow indefinitely.

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by bikuki

You've missed the point - many of us already have flats. Why should we be forced to either give these up or pay for two places of accomodation, neither of which we would be living n full time? If I was working in Dumfries for an indefinite length of time I'd be more than happy to sell my flat at home and buy one in Dumfries, but it's a fixed year then I move back to Glasgow indefinitely.

Rent your flats for a year? Use the rent from the property owned to pay for (at least a sizeable part therof if not all) the other rent. Who knows as money is such a concern it could even be done in such a way to turn a profit...

Or is that too simple a solution?

No wish to sound unfeeling to the plight of young folks on the propery ladder... but how many students are in a postion to purchase a flat in the period between graduation and starting work? Particularly with large amounts of debt inccured from studying?

Also I haven't missed the point its just that highlighting poor junior doctors owning flats just out of university doesn't really generate much sympathy in me for this "paycut". Which lets face it is the loss of a perk...

[LesMTS]

I don't think that there should be extra accommodation money paid to the first year doctors, but I also don't think that it's fair to change it on a whim like this.

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by LesMTS

I don't think that there should be extra accommodation money paid to the first year doctors, but I also don't think that it's fair to change it on a whim like this.

Ideally these things should be phased in gradually rather then dumped upon people granted.

Ideally also these posts should be split into a thread in CADP. Cheers.

[bikuki]

I'm not going to argue with you any further. You are not in my position and can therefore not understand why this is such an issue. As I said earlier, many people on the outside will see us as whining about a so called 'perk', but it's far more important than that and, tbh, it's pretty reasonable to think that the government are simply screwing around with people they really can't do without.

[endless psych]

I'll agree I'm not in your position. Which is perhaps why I can see it is an issue - of course people are going to see it as folk whining about a perk and of course your going to think its more important then that.

Its you lot who are losing the perk of free accomodation afterall.

The government should have phased it in rather then just withdrawing it however. That is typical "joined up" thinking from New Labour that is.

EDIT: cheers for putting this in a new thread Les. Wouldn't have been entirely fair if some of the earlier posts were missed. Even if I do look like an arguementative twat in them

[Rhythm Junkie]

Originally Posted by bikuki

I'm not going to argue with you any further. You are not in my position and can therefore not understand why this is such an issue. As I said earlier, many people on the outside will see us as whining about a so called 'perk', but it's far more important than that and, tbh, it's pretty reasonable to think that the government are simply screwing around with people they really can't do without.

Surely if you want the support of people outwith the medical profession on this issue it's your job to explain why it's such an issue and why it affects you so adversely. Most people won't be in your position and won't understand why it's far more important than losing a 'perk' unless you explain.

[LesMTS]

Originally Posted by Rhythm Junkie

Surely if you want the support of people outwith the medical profession on this issue it's your job to explain why it's such an issue and why it affects you so adversely. We aren't in your position and don't understand why it's far more important than losing a 'perk' unless you explain.

She did, to be fair.

Originally Posted by bikuki

The point many of us have had to make is that throughout university we've been under the impression that we were going to get free accomodation for the first year after university. Due to this, and the fact that we HAVE to work in two completely separate hospitals for the first two years of work (which, in the west of Scotland, one of which must be in the city, and one out of the city), many people bought flats in Glasgow with a view of taking up the peripheral accomodation for the first year, then moving back into Glasgow for the second year onwards. What are those people supposed to do for the year they have to work out of the city? Most of the hospitals are outwith a reasonable commute (Dumfries and Ayr, both fantastic hospitals but not reasonable to commute to from the city every day for an 8.30-7.30 or later shift), so are these people supposed to give up their place on the property ladder? Move out of their established flat to live in what are essentially student digs for a year, to then buy a whole new flat again the next year? Rent out? I found myself in this exact position and thus had to give up my place in Dumfries where many of my friends are working and where I had intended to work for quite a while because I simply couldn't afford to keep my own flat and pay for the single small room, shared kitchen and shared bathroom in Dumfries.

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by LesMTS

She did, to be fair.

Then that point was questioned and in response to that it was stated that "we" can't understand the issue.

Up to speed?

EDIT:- came back to make sure my wording was spot on and noticed that rather then saying we don't understand the issue it was said we can't.

The mind boogles.

[Rhythm Junkie]

what ^^^ he said

[Pantgirl]

I get paid fuckall compared to what new grad doctors do if that is an accurate estimate of their wages I'm def in the wrong career

[Zooropa]

See both sides of this.

I'd get weighed in a lot more if it WAS about GP "wages".

[Largest of Als]

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