Thatcher has Dementia - Page 3

endless psych · 24th August 2008, 3:28pm

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Originally Posted by Ghostsuit

but then she also pulled the country out of a bit of a hole

Unemployment before Thatcher :- 1.4 million.

Unemployment under Thatcher :- 4 million.

Please cease this ridiculous "pulling the country out of a hole". Or if you must spew such nonsense consider who in the country was being pulled out of this "hole".

MarkMono · 24th August 2008, 3:31pm

Trying not to get all class warrior here (I'm a bit too middle-class to do it with any conviction anyway) but I don't think Forbes is the best person to ask for an unbiased account of Thatchers economic policies. She was pretty nice to rich, white, straight people on the whole, or was at least less personally evil to them.

No offense Forbes, just calling it like I see it.

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Originally Posted by Ghostsuit

Yup your right on re-reading it no one seems to be laughing, so I apologise for that. I'm guess I'm just used to the people wanting her dead on here, still seems like did have a bit of foresight, crazydiamond seems to be quite happy about it.

One out of dozens isn't foresight, its fishing.

Seriously though mate, you've got to stop being so judgemental and bitchy. The fact that you're bitching about people being bitchy and judgmental just makes it ironic on top of being self-defeating.

Actually, you can do whatever you want, but it does seem quite hypocritical.

¡Punk! · 24th August 2008, 3:51pm

Don't feel any sympathy for her family either kids. Just because one of them went to the jungle for a bit. The other went to the jungle to overthrow a democratically elected regime. Not that anyone should be judged on the sins of their parents but the whole family can wallow in shit until Maggie remembers her pin number for all I care.

I really fucking hope she forgets what a cunt she was and, just before she dies, she realises it and dies sad, bitter and alone.

**Ghostsuit** · 24th August 2008, 3:59pm

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Originally Posted by endless psych

Unemployment before Thatcher :- 1.4 million.

Unemployment under Thatcher :- 4 million.

Please cease this ridiculous "pulling the country out of a hole". Or if you must spew such nonsense consider who in the country was being pulled out of this "hole".

Yup shocking but that's one factor and we all know you can't pluck one fact and make a decision on it, my family had a pretty shite time under Thatcher but I still think that she was nessary at that time. She reduced inflation, which was running rampant gave people the opertunity to buy their homes, still at the end of the day it's always going to come down to being on totally opposite sides when it comes to her, some hate her with a passion (probably with good cause) and some think she was what was needed and I guess some will love her cause they made loads of money.

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Originally Posted by MarkMono

One out of dozens isn't foresight, its fishing.

Seriously though mate, you've got to stop being so judgemental and bitchy. The fact that you're bitching about people being bitchy and judgmental just make it ironic.

Actually, you can do whatever you want, but it does seem quite hypocritical.

As I said I made a mistake, hey I can admit to it unlike some people, as for being judgemental yup sometimes I am, we all have our flaws, I don't really think I've been bitchy though but I don't tell people to fuck off just for the sake of it, course that's a whole other thread so lets leave it out of this one.

endless psych · 24th August 2008, 4:00pm

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Originally Posted by Ghostsuit

gave people the opertunity to buy their homes,.

As a means of reducing social housing stock.

MarkMono · 24th August 2008, 4:08pm

On Thatchers economic policies: You wouldn't thank someone for building you a house if they used faecal matter to build the foundations.

Hence the never-ending economic recession Britain was doomed to by the time she left office.

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Originally Posted by Ghostsuit

As I said I made a mistake, hey I can admit to it unlike some people, as for being judgemental yup sometimes I am, we all have our flaws, I don't really think I've been bitchy though but I don't tell people to fuck off just for the sake of it, course that's a whole other thread so lets leave it out of this one.

Just saying, if you're unhappy about the conduct userbase then being a cunt to them before they've even had a chance to do anything wrong is counter-productive.

**Ghostsuit** · 24th August 2008, 4:12pm

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Originally Posted by MarkMono

Trying not to get all class warrior here (I'm a bit too middle-class to do it with any conviction anyway) but I don't think Forbes is the best person to ask for an unbiased account of Thatchers economic policies. She was pretty nice to rich, white, straight people on the whole, or was at least less personally evil to them.

No offense Forbes, just calling it like I see it.

None taken course it would help if you had more facts, considering my dad was working class truck driver that worked his way up during the thatcher years bought a farm then got made pretty much bankrupt and worked as a plumber while my mum worked as a secretary.

Yeah we had great times during the Thatcher years sleeping in the one room of the guest house they eventually managed to buy with the 18% morgage rate and worked like bastards to make successful. In the end we lucked out, like alot of people did who were given the opertunity under thatcher to buy their homes, since house prices went throught the roof.

So yeah were now relatively well off because my Dad worked like a bastard, got knocked down and got back up and and worked harder and we got a little lucky and he instilled in me that same attitude, you have to take the odd risk and just work as hard as possible and not expect any hand outs.

Zippy · 24th August 2008, 4:13pm

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Originally Posted by ¡Punk!

I really fucking hope she forgets what a cunt she was and, just before she dies, she realises it and dies sad, bitter and alone.

Indeed.

MarkMono · 24th August 2008, 4:13pm

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Originally Posted by Ghostsuit

None taken course it would help if you had more facts, considering my dad was working class truck driver that worked his way up during the thatcher years bought a farm then got made pretty much bankrupt and worked as a plumber while my mum worked as a secretary.

Yeah we had great times during the Thatcher years sleeping in the one room of the guest house they eventually managed to buy with the 18% morgage rate and worked like bastards to make successful. In the end we lucked out, like alot of people did who were given the opertunity under thatcher to buy their homes, since house prices went throught the roof.

So yeah were now relatively well off because my Dad worked like a bastard, got knocked down and got back up and and worked harder and we got a little lucky and he instilled in me that same attitude, you have to take the odd risk and just work as hard as possible and not expect any hand outs.

I meant now, I have no idea what you (Or your family) were doing during the 80's.

If anything, your post reinforces what I said.

Semprini · 24th August 2008, 4:16pm

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and was voted in by a lot of people

That doesn't prove anything really, beyond the fact that large swatches of the electorate are rather stupid.

¡Punk! · 24th August 2008, 4:20pm

Just to bring turn this into a real internet debate: "Hitler had a lot of support too"

**Ghostsuit** · 24th August 2008, 4:23pm

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Originally Posted by MarkMono

She was pretty nice to rich, white, straight people on the whole, or was at least less personally evil to them.

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Originally Posted by MarkMono

I meant now, I have no idea what you (Or your family) were doing during the 80's.

If anything, your post reinforces what I said.

You should have perhaps worded it better then. How could she be nice to us if we weren't rich at the time she was about?

I'm sure however, as always, I'm misunderstood what you meant.

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Just to bring turn this into a real internet debate: "Hitler had a lot of support too"

So did Ghandi.

MarkMono · 24th August 2008, 4:28pm

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Originally Posted by Ghostsuit

You should have perhaps worded it better then. How could she be nice to us if we weren't rich at the time she was about?

In the long-term. There was also no 'us' implied, unless you're referring to rich, white, straight people as 'us'. Wasn't having a pop at your family in the slightest.

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I'm sure however, as always, I'm misunderstood what you meant.

Stop being bitchy or stop complaining about others doing it.

**Ghostsuit** · 24th August 2008, 4:33pm

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Originally Posted by MarkMono

In the long-term. There was also no 'us' implied.

Well then how could she be nice to me if I wasn't rich at the time.

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Stop being bitchy or stop complaining about others doing it.

I complained about people being bitchy with no reason.

I was just stating that I have probably misunderstood you, which always seems to be the case in our discussions.

MarkMono · 24th August 2008, 4:42pm

Sounded pretty bitchy to me, especially as you opened with the classic "Oh, I misunderstood you, it must be your fault."

You're old enough to have grown up in the 80s, and frankly the Thatcher years have been pretty good to you, economically speaking. Also to your family, as you state in your own post that it was thanks to her that they were able to buy the guest house. (Though, as Endless Psyche pointed out, for every person who benefitted from that, hundreds suffered.)

You can argue that you're not being bitchy if you want, but it'd be a rather tedious debate, no doubt full of sickeningly passive/aggressive jibes like every other post you've made in this thread.

A) I'm not particularly interested in talking to someone who is listening to what they expect to hear rather than what is being said

B) We're filling the thread up with this bitchy crap

PM me or whatever if you still don't get my meaning, though I can't actually see clarifying my posts helping any.