[Politics] Vote '08 - McCain Vs Obama (peripheral discussion)

[Stew]

Originally Posted by crusher

How long do you think Obama will last before either the CIA, NSA, FBI, or some even more covert secret organisation assassinates him?

Or.. racist idiots?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27405681/

WASHINGTON - Law enforcement agents have broken up a plot by two neo-Nazi skinheads to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 88 black people, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said Monday.

In court records unsealed Monday in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn., federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school in a murder spree that was to begin in Tennessee. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of ATF's Nashville field office, said the two men planned to kill 88 African Americans, including 14 by beheading. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

[endless psych]

You know that just reads as if the Barack Obama thing has just been tacked on to the plan to kill a lot of black folks because its an election year...

[sidelvar]

Sadly I feel Obama will win this election however I'm not voting for either of them (mcCain/Obama)

[crazydiamond85]

why sadly?

[MarkMono]

Lets face it, having a black leader would do wonders for America's common international image of being rich, murdering, white capitalists.

Even apart from that, Obama still seems like a marginally better choice.

[Dario]

Originally Posted by crazydiamond85

why sadly?

Because he's a right-wing loon, as previous posts of his clearly show.

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

Vote for capitalism or vote for capitalism.
Tough choice.

[Dario]

That's a good attitude. Refrain from voting as long as the voting system remains that of a capitalist country. I like it.

[djtoast]

Originally Posted by AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS

Vote for capitalism or vote for capitalism.
Tough choice.

If you're suggesting it doesn't make any difference which politicians we get, I refer you to

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

vs

I can press when there needs to be pressed; I can hold hands when there needs to be -- hold hands." --George W. Bush, on how he can contribute to the Middle East peace process, Washington, D.C., Jan. 4, 2008

[MarkMono]

He makes a valid point, choosing between politicians is always by a marginal preference in my case.

[LesMTS]

Originally Posted by AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS

Vote for capitalism or vote for capitalism.
Tough choice.

There are at least three socialist presidential candidates running and, I think, one communist.

The majority of voters in the states want to retain a largely capitalist system, though. So, like here, a voter can concede that to be the case and vote on other issues. The difference between McCain and Obama for a homosexual man like you or me, or someone who feels strongly about abortion, is stark.

Economic policy isn't the be all and end all.

[Dario]

Originally Posted by LesMTS

The difference between McCain and Obama for a homosexual man like you or me

Hey. Are you two a couple?

[djtoast]

Did Les just out himself?

This has been a "good" year for forum scandal!

[sidelvar]

Seeing as most of you don't live in the states I have a hard time believeing you feel the "above all" importance of the economic downturn. Now yes U.S. economics effect way more than just us and all of you across the pond follow American politics however it different when you hear it all in day to day conversations at work, the bar, dog park etc... and it's different looking from the outside in as well.

Please, its depresing to see where the U.S. has gone in some 200 years as far as politcs go. It sad to see where republicans have gone with their right wing nut job shit thinking they should have control over another person body or marrige rights. It fucked up to look at the dems this time around and how much of a swing to the left this country could take with a super majority and a leftist dem in the whitehouse. Blah.....

[triggerhappy]

Originally Posted by sidelvar

Seeing as most of you don't live in the states I have a hard time believeing you feel the "above all" importance of the economic downturn. Now yes U.S. economics effect way more than just us and all of you across the pond follow American politics however it different when you hear it all in day to day conversations at work, the bar, dog park etc... and it's different looking from the outside in as well.

Why do you think the economic downturn is only affecting America? Why would we need to live in the states to feel the effects? The entire world is suffering an economic downturn: we're not looking in from the outside, we're in the thick of it.

For a basic introduction to what's going on, look here.

Key word being global.