Israel enters Gaza (warning: some graphic content)

[XMachina]

Originally Posted by Pantgirl

Ayrsraelites

hmm not quite as catchy or Xenophobic sounding :/

YouTube - Desmond Dekker - The Isrealites

All this business about using Ayrshire as a comparison is pretty apt as killie play Ayr Utd in the cup and there'll be ruckus there for sure.

[Goth_pixie]

Originally Posted by LesMTS

Strangely, when you get angry about the situation, the rest of the town labels you 'extremists' and when they bulldoze your outhouse leaving you to live in a pile of bricks and shit, and restrict your access to medicine and water for chucking a couple of bricks through the farmhouse window, the rest of the town says 'shouldn't have been noising them up'.

Hamas foreign policy is slightly more complex than "we want a bigger home", and launching rockets at civilians isn't exactly nice. Can you name one Middle Eastern state that would sit back and let people fire rockets at them? As supernothing says, the rockets aren't particularly effective, but they're still rockets. Hamas still broke the ceasefire agreement (albeit secondary to the Israeli blockade), leaving the Israeli government in the position of either tolerating terrorist activity towards their citizens (and therefore appearing weak and inviting further attacks) or trying to eliminate the threat (and therefore being criticised on the world political stage for being "heavy-handed").

The Palestinian casualties have been high, but the blame for this isn't solely with the Israeli forces; Hamas appear to have a tendency to surround their bases with civilians, which therefore results in higher rates of injuries to civilians.

[0x21]

Originally Posted by LesMTS

Ox21, let's imagine your family had a farm called 'Palestine', you had plenty of fertile land, livestock, space and resources. Your family's been there for centuries.
Then one day a group of rich landowners of the area arrive with a bunch of nomads, they kick you out of your farmhouse and move you into an old disused cowshed. The nomads get the house and a whole lot of guns to stop you thinking of asking for it back.
The new residents get the cream of the resources and let you have the scraps from the table or whatever you can find in the cowshed.
A few years later, the nomads, let's call them 'Israelis', decide they kinda like the cowshed so kick you out into the outdoor toilet. All ten of you. You protest, understandably angrily, that there's not enough food or space in the outhouse and you can't get access to medicine or sanitation. They respond by battering your bairns and building a barbed wire fence around your new toilet home.
Every so often they come down and kick your cunts in for the lulz.
Strangely, when you get angry about the situation, the rest of the town labels you 'extremists' and when they bulldoze your outhouse leaving you to live in a pile of bricks and shit, and restrict your access to medicine and water for chucking a couple of bricks through the farmhouse window, the rest of the town says 'shouldn't have been noising them up'.
You'd think the situation was pretty ludicrous, no?

Again, I've said that I dont believe either party is particularly innocent in this, and I'm not debating the whole Israel/Palestine situation. What I am saying is that this incident isn't Israel attacking for the sake of lulz, but as the only reasonable response to the rocket fire, and the high civilian fatalities are due to Hamas' placement of the rockets. I don't believe that the only option they have for rocket positioning is in heavy residential areas, and if they are then I'm not sure why they'd risk heavy civilian casualties in order to fire some largely innefective rockets at Israel (and seemingly not even at military targets).

[Warped]

As stated before, there is no way you can set a rocket up without it being near a populated area. Israeli didn't keep their end of the bargain by not allowing aid and such into the country. I mean for fucksake Palastine surives on aid. I needs handouts from other countries as they have been restricted access to any proper food or water. You've been shoved out you're own conutry for fuck all, you're starving and your hospitails are shite as you have barely any medical supplies. You're angry and everyday people you know get killed. Then another country offers you the chance to hurt them back, by selling you some shite rockets.

Israel even being there is the biggest crime of all. Remeber when they Jews got crowded in ghettos and treated like outcasts subhumans and denied any rights or access to proper food water or sanitation...here wait a second, all we are waiting for is a few friendly prison camps and we are off.

[PAPA LAZEROU]

This is a big huge shit-storm thats gonna get a whole mess worse before it gets any better......

[Dec]

Originally Posted by Goth_pixie

Hamas still broke the ceasefire agreement (albeit secondary to the Israeli blockade)

You've already pointed out the flaw in this, when Israel enacted it's blockade, the ceasefire became null and void. Hamas broke no agreement.

Originally Posted by Goth_pixie

leaving the Israeli government in the position of either tolerating terrorist activity towards their citizens

It's not terrorist activity.

Originally Posted by Goth_Pixie

The Palestinian casualties have been high, but the blame for this isn't solely with the Israeli forces; Hamas appear to have a tendency to surround their bases with civilians, which therefore results in higher rates of injuries to civilians.

Utter apologist bullshit. Whoever drops tha bomb is to blame for the deaths, Hamas has as much right to put their government and military offices wherever it sees fit, as it is a democratically elected government.

[i_am_blip]

in my country there is problem...

YouTube - Borat - Throw the Jew Down the Well!!

[Warped]

I think they should send dec to the middle east, play some toooones.

[MarkMono]

Originally Posted by Goth_pixie

The Palestinian casualties have been high, but the blame for this isn't solely with the Israeli forces; Hamas appear to have a tendency to surround their bases with civilians, which therefore results in higher rates of injuries to civilians.

Really...what the fuck?

[Dec]

I think they should send Danny, sex those jews up, maybe then they'd chill a little.

Here, mind when those guys had a big party in London 7/7, were their civilian deaths excused because there's a lot of government buildings in LDN?

[Warped]

Army dudes know how to admin btw!

Originally Posted by Dec

I think they should send Danny, sex those jews up, maybe then they'd chill a little.

Here, mind when those guys had a big party in London 7/7, were their civilian deaths excused because there's a lot of government buildings in LDN?

I had a think about sexing jews, i googled IDF BABES...





Im there! Saying that they killed jesus so i could never start a relationship.

[Dec]

Jews claim that Jesus was killed by the Romans. I'm the only one that blames the blacks.

[Goth_pixie]

Originally Posted by Dec

It's not terrorist activity.

Aye it is.

What else do you call firing rockets at civilians?

[Dec]

"Firing them at civilians", lol, you should write for the Daily Mail. They're firing them at Israel, a country they are effectively at war with, the fact that civilians are there is just a happy coincidence.

Is Israel committing acts of terrorism in Gaza at the moment?

[Goth_pixie]

Originally Posted by Dec

"Firing them at civilians", lol, you should write for the Daily Mail. They're firing them at Israel, a country they are effectively at war with, the fact that civilians are there is just a happy coincidence.

Is Israel committing acts of terrorism in Gaza at the moment?

"Effectively at war". They aren't actually at war.

The rockets aren't being fired at government bases or military targets, there's no Robin Hood-esque romance to it. They have used weapons against a civilian population, to spread fear and intimidation, which constitutes terrorism.

It might be "cool" to love Palestine and hate the Israelis at the moment, but that doesn't change the fact that neither side is exactly innocent. Both sides have acted in ways that are deserving of criticism, but people tend to overlook the fact that the Palestinians haven't been all sweetness and light.