[News] Glasgow University students occupy computing science building in support of Gaza

[Ebeneezer Good!]

Originally Posted by endless psych

Indeed it does not, but that was never in question.

Your original "point" was to ask where were everyones morals when the Palestinians were attacking Israel I'm merely pointing out they were probably in the same place in the support of the smaller abused nation rather then the powerful and paranoid one.

The point is that Israel has acted disproportionatly aggressively in this (and other) conflicts involving the Palestinians. These are not the actions you expect of a "shining beacon of democracy in the middle east" nor are they the actions you expect of a more powerful neighbouring countrie to unleash upon its poorer neighbour. Although the latter is probably a bit idealistic tbh.

A few others in here have also drifted an all. What course of action should the Isrealis have taken?

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by Ebeneezer Good!

A few others in here have also drifted an all. What course of action should the Isrealis have taken?

Well they could not have killed quite so many civillians indiscriminatly for a start...

Realistically the only way I could see them stopping (well reducing drastically the already largely ineffective) rocket and mortar attacks would be to "police" Gaza and the West Bank in a similar way to how the British policed Northen Ireland. While attempting to engage less fundamentalist Palestinian factions in dipomatic talks towards a two state solution.

While I think the second part of that would be laudable, the first part doesn't sit very well. An international peace keeping force (with a balance of Western and Arabic forces) patrolling the borders seems to be halfway towards a workable alternative.

[Largest of Als]

Originally Posted by endless psych

Well they could not have killed quite so many civillians indiscriminatly for a start...

Realistically the only way I could see them stopping (well reducing drastically the already largely ineffective) rocket and mortar attacks would be to "police" Gaza and the West Bank in a similar way to how the British policed Northen Ireland.

Yes, because that worked so well at stopping violence and terrorism.....



Al

[metallideth]

Originally Posted by Ebeneezer Good!

smeato

I stopped reading at this bit.

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by Largest of Als

Yes, because that worked so well at stopping violence and terrorism.....



Al

You want a quick fix? Well they could just nuke Gaza and be done with it then.

[Dec]

lol he kicked a guy that was on fire lol

[Largest of Als]

Originally Posted by endless psych

You want a quick fix? Well they could just nuke Gaza and be done with it then.

The quick fix would be to take them both out in one go..



Al

[Jushin Liger]

Originally Posted by Largest of Als

Yes, because that worked so well at stopping violence and terrorism.....



Al

Well 3,500 (approx) over 30 years is a lot better going than Israel's 1,000 in a couple of weeks and has in the end lead to a lasting peace agreement.

[Largest of Als]

Originally Posted by Jushin Liger

and has in the end lead to a lasting peace agreement.

I'd say that was more to do with a change of UK government than having troops on the ground patrolling the streets... but what do I know?

I really dont give a fuck about either side in this situation.. both sides are to blame. Fuck em all..


Al

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by Largest of Als

I'd say that was more to do with a change of UK government than having troops on the ground patrolling the streets... but what do I know?

Troops on the ground patrolling the streets was a suggestion to stop rocket and mortar attacks. The peace process bit was tacked on at the end to make it seem half-way palatable.

[Gadafti Inc.]

Hamas are fundamentalist nutters with very few millitary resources - with stated aims to obliterate the other side

The Israeli Gov are fundamentalist nutters with a hell of a lot of military resources - with unstated aims to obliterate the other side

The man on the street suffers

get some of these nutters banned

[Kirsten]

Originally Posted by Ebeneezer Good!

There is fuck all to blow up in Scotland and smeato will keep us safe.

Hamas just dont care about the Palestinians. Only power. And what about the times when Hamas was killing Isrealis. Where was everyones morals then?. Hamas were firing rockets at an old folks home.

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I want to wring your fucking neck

[Mwezzi]

By the way, the protesters appear the have won.

The student occupation of the University of Glasgow has finished in triumphant success. Students left the Computer Science building at approximately 9pm on Wednesday evening, after a 55-hour occupation. Earlier in the day the University principal, Sir Muir Russell, met with delegates of the occupation to engage in discussions over their demands. The negotiations were concluded by a meeting in the occupied space between the students and members of the University management. The University eventually conceded many of the demands, and made promises to address most of the outstanding issues.

After collecting over 600 signatures, the student movement has the right to call for an Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM) of the Students' Representatives' Council, to debate how Glasgow University students can show solidarity with Palestine. The EGM must take place within 10 days of the submission of the signatures to the SRC.


It is crucial to recognise that occupation is an entirely legitimate tactic. By taking this action we have shown that serious direct action can achieve results. Our occupation has been an undoubted success. It has been a victory for all those showing solidarity with the people of Palestine but the wider campaign is far from over. This has to be seen as just the beginning and as the inspiration for a wider movement spreading the message of peace and solidarity throughout the student community and society as a whole.

We would like express our deepest gratitude to everyone who gave their support to the occupation, without you this would not have been possible. Special thanks to everyone on the outside who gave out the leaflets, got petitions signed, donated food, joined the solidarity protests, emailed the principal and much more. You reminded us all too often that in an occupation the people outside are just as important as those inside, and it showed many more people the strength and breadth of the antiwar movement in this country. We are the many they are the few. Long Live Palestine. Long Live Gaza.

See you all at the Stop the War Coalition Conference next Saturday 21 Feb.



If you want to get involved in any way email us back, or call or text 07920 403 766



Below is a copy of the final signed agreement between students of the occupation and the University management:

Disasters Emergency Committee Gaza Crisis Appeal

1. Definitely by the end of February, desirably by next week, to have an official day of collection for the DEC.
2. The University is committed to this (hopefully in conjunction with SRC)
3. A web page will be devoted to the day, with a link to the advert
4. An E-mail is to be sent out to all students and staff (1 email a few days before, and another 24 hours before)
5. The University management will encourage all lecturers to show advert in lecture theatres – this is at the discretion of lecturers and it will be their choice whether or not they show the DEC appeal.

Scholarships for Palestinian students


1. The University will work with appropriate parties to publicise its current international scholarships within Gaza.
2. Alongside the DEC appeal, donations will be sought to support scholarships for students from Palestine.
3. The University will consider part-funding this by using a similar fee waiving scheme as Strathclyde University.
4. The University would like to work to create a Glasgow Palestine student scholarship scheme; in conjunction with all Universities and other interested parties.

Academic Resources to Gaza


1. The University will make its best efforts to donate old resources
2. The University is currently speaking to other universities (such as LSE and King's College) to work through the logistics. The University will get back to the students within 7 days.
3. The University wants the occupiers to contact the Islamic University of Gaza (IUG) to work with them in organising a video conference and to put them in contact with David Newall (Secretary of Court) and vice versa, to work out what resources they need.
4. Currently surplus materials are recycled – the University will look at ways to modify existing contracts, or investigate how the companies involved could be included in the donation of said resources.

The delegates have noted that senior university management have committed to further meetings for serious, continuing discussions including the SRC. The University understands the specific and serious concerns students have regarding Eden Springs, and is willing to engage in further discussions over the suppliers of water to the University campus. These should take place no later than Friday 27th February.

Further to this we require a commitment to publish details (as transparent, full and up to date as possible) of all university investments made by the university, and all research funding received by the university, in compliance with the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002, in accordance with, and in the context of, the law. There will be a meeting between university management and the students of the occupation to discuss the progress that has been made after 20 working days.
With this understanding the students will bring the current occupation to an end.

I get really irked by STW at times because they managed to prevent One Voice Glasgow (I am sort-of a member of both) from attending an anti-occupation protest, despite the fact that they were one the same side, because of minor and irrelevant (to that event) differences.
One Voice went and packaged medicines for Gaza instead.
However, kudos for actually achiving something as opposed to being there for several days with no result at all.

[Jushin Liger]

Further to this we require a commitment to publish details (as transparent, full and up to date as possible) of all university investments made by the university, and all research funding received by the university, in compliance with the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002, in accordance with, and in the context of, the law

So the students can see how much research funding comes from BAE and then think, ah that was a bit silly to demand that and a bit out of scope compared to boycotting Eden Springs water and having a fund raising day for DEC Gaza appeal.

[Largest of Als]

They haven't really won... they've just got people to agree to a meeting..

.. at which they'll probably be told they're getting fuck all... but at least they're out of the building


Al