[News] Two soldiers shot dead inside their own barracks - Page 2

**Kenny Everett** · 8th March 2009, 9:49pm

It's tragic, but I very much doubt it'll spark any new waves of trouble.

sjonit · 8th March 2009, 9:56pm

Itsd easy to see how the soldiers were killed and how he RIRA members got away, cos the gunmen opened fire while the 4 soldiers were at the gate, collecting the pizzas from the delivery boys.

Shoot all at the gates then flee.

**Kenny Everett** · 8th March 2009, 9:57pm

Aye, Army bases aren't anything special. A well planned attack is difficult to stop, so I don't really get the outrage on that front :/

Kirsten · 8th March 2009, 10:00pm

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Originally Posted by sjonit

the gunmen opened fire while the 4 soldiers were at the gate, collecting the pizzas from the delivery boys.

Shoot all at the gates then flee.

That info wasn't publicised until later in the day. And I've noticed that the original article was edited later on, this morning, too.

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Page last updated at 08:09 GMT, Sunday, 8 March 2009

six and a half hours after the initial report.

Still wide as fuck though, btw.

RIRA or not.

Dec · 8th March 2009, 11:57pm

I love the British media's utter disparities in editorial stance when it comes to reporting on wars and illegal occupations.

crazydiamond85 · 9th March 2009, 12:43am

cant see anything big kicking off in Ulster like there was back in the troubles, mainly becuase there wouldnt be as much support from places such as the US
September 11th and what followed effectively ended the armed struggle.

I'm Your God Now · 9th March 2009, 1:27am

I thought they were shot outside of the barracks.

AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS · 9th March 2009, 11:21am

Couple of things;

IMO, there is no way, that this was done without some sort of Brit Collusion.
Both the reals and the continuity have touts in their ranks from top to bottom & have been trying to take out 'targets' for 10 years without success...look at the number of arrests.

The fact that this happened 2 days after Inspector Hugh Ordes comments that he fears of 'secuirty risks' in the occupied a North and wants to bring in more special forces troops is too much of a conincidence....what happens next? The RIRA are somehow manage to do something they've been incapable of for a decade....march straight up to a base and take out 2 brit soldiers...then BAM the big bad republicans are back and it's the perfect excuse to back up the call to bring in more special forces.

Folk saying "it's easy" to get away with is alot of fucking shite by the way...they've been trying it for YEARS.
They definately knew about it, too much of a coincidence for my liking, in my opinion anyway.

This isn't the start again, it's never really stopped.

Jaemi · 9th March 2009, 11:29am

Aye, it was no surprise to me it came so soon after Inspector Hugh's comments.
Although my thinking was that it was more of a reaction to his comments rather than any conspiracy.

AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS · 9th March 2009, 11:40am

I would've thought that aswell, but it's been on-going Jaemi. This isn't the first time it's been attempted. Look at Omagh - the brits knew about that plan to bomb, and let it go ahead.

I think to discount a conspiracy, given Britains track record of collusion with loyalist paramilitaries and well documented infiltration of organisations, would be mental.

I just cannot fathom why, after Ordes comments (the base would be on high alert), they were allowed to follow a pizza delivery into the barracks, shoot the lads, then walk up, finish off their buisness, then back to a getaway car without any sort confrontation. I mean, its the fucking 'UK' for fucksake, surveilance capital.

Westy · 9th March 2009, 12:16pm

What was the one with the IRA guys who drove two diggers with explosives in their dumpers up to a police station and blew it up? Yet the British knew about this and "had to let it happen", and they had to put people in the building so that there was the "threat". So they ambushed them, after the cunts blew up the police station (that was usually empty but they had placed people inside), and all the IRA cunts got shot dead?

I watched something on one of the Discovery Channels about that and how there needs to be the actual threat to British Forces in the legistation. Or something. It might not be the case these days but I think thats how they were putting it across.

sjonit · 9th March 2009, 12:27pm

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Originally Posted by AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS

they were allowed to follow a pizza delivery into the barracks, shoot the lads, then walk up, finish off their buisness, then back to a getaway car without any sort confrontation. I mean, its the fucking 'UK' for fucksake, surveilance capital.

From what I've been reading they didnt go into the barracks, just attacked oustide at the gates while the soldiers were retrieving the pizzas.

AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS · 9th March 2009, 12:31pm

Think you are talking about the 1987 'attack' on the station at Loughall, Westy?

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Originally Posted by sjonit

From what I've been reading they didnt go into the barracks, just attacked oustide at the gates while the soldiers were retrieving the pizzas.

Typo.
They would have had to go up, and finish the lads off, once the gates were open.

Westy · 9th March 2009, 12:39pm

Aye thats the one.

But if they knew about this one, surely they would have caught them straight after? Like if they had let it happen, they must have took precautions which meant the guys simply couldn't drive away into the night.

I don't think I buy it that they knew this time like they did back in 87 at Loughall. Sounds like security has just been too lax.

AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS · 9th March 2009, 1:13pm

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Originally Posted by Westy

But if they knew about this one, surely they would have caught them straight after? Like if they had let it happen, they must have took precautions which meant the guys simply couldn't drive away into the night.

If they had caught them straight away, questions would of been asked about the level and speed of response - if it came out that the brits knew of them imminenent attack and lives could have been saved then they'd have been slaughtered by the people. It provides them with a scapegoat, it suits the agenda to let them go then be seen to 'capture' them at a relative date.

It's too convieniant for the the security level to be raised (meaning imminent attack) and then Ordes comments inviting troops back 'north' to deal with the risk, then all of a sudden theres the first soldier murder in 10 years.
Why was the security level raised? They knew something was afoot, IMO.

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I don't think I buy it that they knew this time like they did back in 87 at Loughall. Sounds like security has just been too lax.

Well we just don't know, but given history, I've no idea how you can just discount it totally.
Security wasn't lax, the alert level was raised days before it.