[WTF] Australians cook black people. Lulz? - Page 2

sylvianorth · 14th June 2009, 11:44pm

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Originally Posted by Dec

Statements like this are to be taken with a pinch of salt,

Can't be arsed elaborating so- I AGREE WITH DIS POST.

**djtoast** · 15th June 2009, 8:59am

Yeah, that was my initial feeling...

I had a long conversation with my best friend about it (who has lived there for about ten years now) and she insists that the word is used by people of all races purely as a description. ie, never with malice by white people and not as a reclaimed term by those it describes.

eg

"Jim? Which one is he again?"
"You know, the guy who works at starbacks. Six foot, a bit woggy, always wears that red jumper."

or whatever. plus the mainstream film "Wog Boy" evidently caused no interest in the title there.

Wikipedia disagrees and says it is offensive there but is becoming less so, and describes people of south-east-european descent - eg greeks. I was told it's just used to mean anyone off-white or darker.

Maybe it's partly a question of degree - that is a country after all that still sells golliwog biscuits and coon cheese.

Danger · 15th June 2009, 9:03am

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Originally Posted by Dec

Statements like this are to be taken with a pinch of salt,

The guy who got cooked should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Sorry.

Young Blood · 15th June 2009, 1:16pm

does your friend say 'i'm not racist but that looks like a wog!' hmm?

Charlicat · 15th June 2009, 2:50pm

This was a wee while ago, but as far as I can remember, while it had its news slot and various people condemned the police, the story was quickly surpassed by the more important run-up to the compulsary election on whether daylight savings should be abolished.

People here are instrinsically and shamelessly racist. Also, they think that daylight savings time is mysterious black magic from the east.

**djtoast** · 15th June 2009, 2:54pm

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Originally Posted by Charlicat

People here are instrinsically and shamelessly racist. Also, they think that daylight savings time is mysterious wog magic from the east.

fixed

^ no, my friend wouldn't use the term herself. as a liberal european type she's appalled by the prevalence of racism there; just doesn't think that the use of that one particular word is included in that...

Charlicat · 15th June 2009, 3:07pm

Also, the shooting witness person was on a bunchof talk shows after that, declaring that she wasn't a racist, and that when she saw the news cameras she ran over and her only intention was to make a humorous paraody of a racist australian in order to get her face seen on tv and fulfil her dream of launching a showbiz career.

crazydiamond85 · 15th June 2009, 3:23pm

who are we to say what people aon the other side of the world can and can't say?
I have family in oz and they also use wog on a damn near daily basis and I woulddn't think they were racist at all, there bare alot of words used in Scotland verey day by a great deal of people that could be seen as racist

triggerhappy · 15th June 2009, 3:28pm

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Originally Posted by crazydiamond85

who are we to say what people aon the other side of the world can and can't say?
I have family in oz and they also use wog on a damn near daily basis and I woulddn't think they were racist at all, there bare alot of words used in Scotland verey day by a great deal of people that could be seen as racist

Frequency of use determines whether a word is racist or not?

crazydiamond85 · 15th June 2009, 3:37pm

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Originally Posted by triggerhappy

Frequency of use determines whether a word is racist or not?

No.
But fck this discussion, I can't be arsed with another 12 pages of arguing whether or not a word is racist.
Like I said it's the other side of the world and we shouldn't really be judging them on what words they choose to use.

**djtoast** · 15th June 2009, 4:18pm

no, i agree, if it IS true that you can say that word there then fair enough. an australian visiting brixton might find themselves in a bit of bother though.

Zippy · 15th June 2009, 4:38pm

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Originally Posted by crazydiamond85

Like I said it's the other side of the world and we shouldn't really be judging them on what words they choose to use.

We should really.

Young Blood · 15th June 2009, 6:52pm

put it this way - if it's not seen as racist in that culture then that culture is inherently racist.

Jaemi · 15th June 2009, 6:54pm

^^
Aye.

You have to put things in context.
This is Australia we're talking about.

**djtoast** · 15th June 2009, 8:00pm

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Originally Posted by Young Blood

put it this way - if it's not seen as racist in that culture then that culture is inherently racist.

i'm not sure that follows.

best comparison i can think of is glaswegians saying "chinky" - i think that mostly they don't MEAN it in an offensive way; nonetheless a chinese person would be likely to be offended by the use of the term.

i don't think you have to set out to be racist to mange to be racist.

but if in australia the people described by the word wog don't themselves see a problem with the word, and the people saying it don't mean to disparage people darker than, say, Les Dennis by using the word, then while i agree that there IS a helluva racist culture there, that word isn't a part of it.

i wouldn't use that word ever, no matter where i was though...