Iran an aw that

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Originally Posted by endless psych

Here lets not forget, that whatever the media/governments interests and machinations in this case, that there are demonstrations occurring against what is in effect a totalitarian theocracy.

Regardless of whether or not the election was actually fixed it's worth considering that might be a good thing.

Not sure I'm following here.

Forgive me if I'm incredibley paranoid about the coverage of the "riots" and the calls for Mousavi to get in;

Mousavi is CIA backed imperalist bourgeois.
Of course US/UK want him in power, but for the people it'll be more of the same old same old. He isn't going to be any real social change under him either.

Both are enemies of the people.

[Jaemi]

I've come to the conclusion that we should bomb ra'lotta thum.
They're all terrorists anyway.

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bomb'ra'lotta'rem.
A classic.

[Jaemi]

^^
That's how I said.
Infact, I'm editing it right now.

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS

Not sure I'm following here.

Regardless of the outcome/cause the fact that people are rising up and excercising their right to protest (which they don't really have) against a totalitarian regieme is probably a good thing.

Although I suppose nothing less then a Marxist workers utopia will satisfy you will it AM?

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Originally Posted by endless psych

Regardless of the outcome/cause the fact that people are rising up and excercising their right to protest (which they don't really have) against a totalitarian regieme is probably a good thing.

They are choosing between a sack of human shit, and a sack of cat shit. I usually stick by any of the 'wee men' that stick up for themselves in the face of imperialist onslaught by the western world on all fronts.

I'm not sure how much uprising there is though or who is uprising (angry students? )....bareing in mind who it is being reported by and how it is being reported (putting doubts whether it was a democratic election or not...), would the sensationalisation of events suprise you?

Although I suppose nothing less then a Marxist workers utopia will satisfy you will it AM?

Still dreaming mate.

[TSR]

I see your point. Take the average of what people are reporting?

From what it looks like, there's hundreds of thousands of Iranians out in the streets saying they want freedom of speech. If the opposition's going to let them have that, then it's a step in the right direction, at least

I don't see the US wanting to get involved. Sure they've got their preference, but I can see them being much more concerned with N. Korea. UK doesn't have the resources to get involved

[djtoast]

Originally Posted by TSR

I don't see the US wanting to get involved.

it'd be a bit hypocritical, if nothing else.

[erithromycin]

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Originally Posted by TSR

I don't see the US wanting to get involved. Sure they've got their preference, but I can see them being much more concerned with N. Korea. UK doesn't have the resources to get involved

They ARE involved though.
Mousavi is a bread and butter, CIA backed, Western Approved Imperialst.

Even listen to the language reporters are using - this election was an "undemocratic farce" from the out, as far as they were concerned. It's all political lingo to gather public support, ala Iraq.

[MarkMono]

CIA-backed?

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Yes?
The type of coverage we are seeing is mass-hysteria that the western bourgeoisie love. All reeks of US/Imperialists trying to start civil unrest and gain public support to take action "against the dissenting iranians" etc.

It's full of fucking shit if you ask me.

[MarkMono]

Agreed, but what have the CIA go to do with it?

(While I'm not naive enough to believe they're anywhere near as castigated these days as the other US agencies make out, I don't see what they've got to do with this, unless you're just using them as a synonym for 'American bastards'?)

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Originally Posted by MarkMono

Agreed, but what have the CIA go to do with it?

(While I'm not naive enough to believe they're anywhere near as castigated these days as the other US agencies make out, I don't see what they've got to do with this, unless you're just using them as a synonym for 'American bastards'?)

He is a noted US intelligence informer.
See his roles in the Iran-Iraq war/Iran-Contra affair (hostages for US weapons).

Now, I can't obviously prove the CIA or the american government are involved in this particular outcome, so this is only my opinion....but please consider;

*Mousavi's past secret dealings with the US/CIA
*The self-generated media shit storm surrounding Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s re-election and almost instant dismal that the election was 'fraud', despite facts possibly point otherwise.
*Oil - guess what is the only currency Ahmadinejad isn't selling his oil in?
*Iranian government's intelligance of a US spy-ring plot o overthrow their government - http://www.congresscheck.com/2009/01...an-government/
* The protests themselves... Protesters holding placards in English/playing up for the cameras - very strange in the middle of Tehran
* the mere fact that there were (again alledgedlly, as I wasnt there) huge pro-Ahmadinejad election rallys on the run up to the election, but have went unreported. Ahmadinejad got 62.6% of the vote in this year’s election. He received 61.69% in the 2005 presidential election. Why the uproar? It is simply without evidence.

The hypocrisy is outstanding. The absolute world-coming-to-an-end media bias is absoltutely dumb-founding. How "concerned" they are with the Iranian peoples; Yet they are unconcerned with civilian casualities in Palestine or Iraq - yet we are told "we" have a "hostage" crisis because 5 guys got ken-fucking-biggly-ed in afghanistan while the blood of afghany civilians pours down the streets. It's all to gather public support and revert public opinion on a result that may have been wholly democratic and true....it just does not suit America, as Ahmadinejad will not play ball, where as Mousavi is a softer prospect.

Again, I cannot prove either way that the election was or was not rigged, but given the almost immediate hysteria from western corners (same ones who described it as part of the "axis of evil" because it chooses to go against American convention)
Looks like the old disrupt, interfere and conquer to me.

[LesMTS]

Clever statistical analysis indicates election fraud.

Basically, if you take a bunch of numbers (lets say.....election results in various districts) then, by looking at the last numbers in each number, you can make a good stab at finding out whether or not they are 'natural' or if someone just made them up. The more certain numbers predominate (outside of some statistical slack, of course), then we can say that the chances that these numbers were generated by honest means drops.
From this kind of analysis, it turns out that there's a less than one in two-hundred chance that the numbers weren't fiddled.

Doesn't tell us whether or not he would have won anyway, like, but it's still interesting.