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Old 23rd June 2009, 5:17pm   #31
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Old 23rd June 2009, 5:44pm   #32
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Old 2nd July 2009, 11:12pm   #33
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Re: "South African rape survey shock"

Anyway, I'm completely stunned by the students thinking that if a woman is 'alone and walking in a dangerous or deserted area' she's 'asking for it'. So if I nip out to the shop at night for a pint of milk and someone rapes me, these people would seriously say that I'm responsible in some way? Do they think women should travel in packs?
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Anyway, I'm completely stunned by the students thinking that if a woman is 'alone and walking in a dangerous or deserted area' she's 'asking for it'. So if I nip out to the shop at night for a pint of milk and someone rapes me, these people would seriously say that I'm responsible in some way? Do they think women should travel in packs?
It's a postion thats indefensible but understandable. Only because there exist people who will take advantage of such situations and rape women though, not because the womans actions themselves have anything to do with it.

To use a glib, and borderline offensive analogy, if someone leaves their door unlocked then goes out and gets their stuff nicked then they might have avoided it had they locked their door. This might be true but it doesn't imply that we should aspire to a society of locked doors.

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Re: "South African rape survey shock"

Hey, I'm totally late to this one, just saw this, waking a dead thread, blah blah my bad.

I hear this analogy quite a lot, "lassie walking alone" versus "you wouldn't leave your door unlocked" and it bothers me because it seems to me, people are equating "being in possession of a vagina" with "being in possession of valuables and not taking good enough care of them".

What I don't hear, interestingly enough, is a comparison between like for like - a lassie getting assaulted while walking 'alone and walking in a dangerous or deserted area' and a guy getting jumped on his way to the 24 hr garage for a pack of fags, say.
Circumstantial evidence and anecdotes-ahoy alert, but: when I lived in halls in Maryhill (back when dinosaurs roamed the earth) it was quite frequent to hear that some poor bloke had been jumped on his way up the road the night before. And everyone's attitude was, 'what a wee shame, guy is going about minding his own business and this happens'. It certainly wasn't "well, pfft, he was practically asking for it, wandering about at night ON HIS OWN".

Which suggests that in a lot of people's minds it's perfectly acceptable for half the population to be taking 'risky' behaviour - but not the other half, so if they do it and anything bad happens, it's (to a greater or lesser extent) their own fault. And that's a double standard. Bad things can happen to anyone on their way home from a club/ to the shops/ whatever.

I dunno, maybe people in general are less comfortable with the idea of sexual violence than, you know, common or garden violence , and so want to make out it was somehow less bad because, 'well, if she hadn't been there it wouldn't have happened to her, like?'
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