Orange walks [Split from 8th August thread]

[wee scary burd]

Hey guys this is the INTERNET. If there's something you don't understand, how about fucking doing a bit of research BERFORE you go mashing your keyboard with your knuckle dragging hands, spouting absolute rubbish.

And I'm not just talking about you Psycho....

[ally.h]

Originally Posted by GoddamnElectric

Umm, no. I'd rather the Council spent it on hospital funding. I don't pay my council tax for anyone's agenda - political, religious or otherwise. I just want my tax money to pay for basic health, safety and education for all my neighbours in this city. That's it, and I believe that's all it should be.

education is always promoting someone's agenda. and more often than not in this country religion is guiding it.

that's why i don't think it would necessarily be a bad thing to present people with scientific fact for a change instead of school assemblies etc where chaplains come and promote arcane ritual and myth.

al.

[I'm Your God Now]

[GoddamnElectric]

Originally Posted by ally.h

education is always promoting someone's agenda. and more often than not in this country religion is guiding it.

that's why i don't think it would necessarily be a bad thing to present people with scientific fact for a change instead of school assemblies etc where chaplains come and promote arcane ritual and myth.

al.

Sounds like a good idea - why don't you have some marches through town to make sure everyone remembers your point of view. Oh, wait...

[ally.h]

Originally Posted by GoddamnElectric

Sounds like a good idea - why don't you have some marches through town to make sure everyone remembers your point of view. Oh, wait...

How about we let people think for themselves for a change by providing them with facts? Surely that is what education should be?

al.

[MarkMono]

Originally Posted by ally.h

education is always promoting someone's agenda. and more often than not in this country religion is guiding it.

that's why i don't think it would necessarily be a bad thing to present people with scientific fact for a change instead of school assemblies etc where chaplains come and promote arcane ritual and myth.

al.

This is done already, and is given far, far greater emphasis in our education than religion is. Religion at my school, and most of the schools in my area, was confined to learning about Islam and Buddhism in RE.

You go to a strict Catholic school or summat? You should be aware that the vast majority of schools in Scotland don't function in the manner you're describing.

[sjonit]

Originally Posted by ally.h

How about we let people think for themselves for a change by providing them with facts? Surely that is what education should be?

al.

Who says science is fact, its just what we have observed so far and believe to be true, as did people who believed in religion centuries ago.

People should be allowed to make their own choices, not force fed science manuals nor religious text books.

[MarkMono]

If anything, the difference between the two is that science acknowledges the possibility that it may not be fact.

[poprock]

Originally Posted by sjonit

Who says science is fact, its just what we have observed so far and believe to be true, as did people who believed in religion centuries ago.

Oh dear, here we go again.

[XMachina]

Originally Posted by sjonit

Who says science is fact

Karl 'animal nitrate' Popper. That's who.

[Tool_ogt]

I think Sam is right and I will be writing to my local MP about this as well, I’m not happy with paying tax towards the policing of these walks.

The town I live in has both Orange and Republican walks, these day’s it is mostly Orange walks as the last time a proposed republican walk was to go ahead the police received so many threats of violence from Orange protesters that they now do not get permission to march. Only Orange walks go ahead and that’s about 20 a year.

When a walk is on in my town the amount of police is shocking, blocking off roads, pubs need to close down and turning the town into mayhem yet this is still allowed to happen every year.

When I was in high school I played for the football team and when we went on a Saturday to practice we had to wear a school uniform, a guy in my team got a bottle thrown off his head from someone following a walk for wearing a catholic school uniform…that’s when we were 14.

It’s about time Scotland grew up, all this one Scotland pish is obviously not translating to walks and people taking over your town for so many day’s a year.

[triggerhappy]

Originally Posted by Tool_ogt

When I was in high school I played for the football team and when we went on a Saturday to practice we had to wear a school uniform, a guy in my team got a bottle thrown off his head from someone following a walk for wearing a catholic school uniform…that’s when we were 14.

That was par for the course at my school. Don't know why they insisted on dressing us in bright maroon blazers when all the surrounding schools wore black. Made 'spot the Catholic' a bit too easy.

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by cookie

Aye but the buggers spend every saturday morning (and some sundays) from March until the start of August "practicing" if it's not pishing it down.

You don't need to tell me hen, I know exactly.

Originally Posted by sjonit

Thats what I'm meaning, between the bands. It tars the whole march with unprofessionalism.

You are march organiser?
How does it? Who sets the bench mark for a "professional walk"? The dignified L.O.L?

Just because one march does not subscribe to the semantic, stiff upper lipped, archaic, twisted presbeteryian stance on marches does not mean it isn't properly organised.

Again, these marches are not one and the same.

Thats why I'm saying, this stuff shouldnt be allowed. I and many others saw it on one of the marches last year at the blackhill/springburn area as the march was leading onto baird street. Republicanism at its heart has nothing to do with celtic, but its a tag thats grown onto it, much as "all loyalists support Rangers".

Fully agree with this, but I don't understand why you didn't just say this originally rather than begin your spiel with "republican walks are worst~!" type mantra.
Who knows.

Unfortunately you can't and won't stop followers, as, there are always proper republicans walking on these marches, and vice a versa for loyalist walks who follow this, taking in the true meaning of the marches, who support the cause, and do not cause any problems other than showing support for the cause.

It is impossible to weed out the bucky brigade from this, unfortunately.

You are right I am neither. My mum and dad are both raised Catholic, I chose not to follow.

Again, I don't know if this shows naivety or just stating a fact for effect here, but you know that being from a catholic background only rules you out of being involved with order and not republicanism right? One is relgious, the latter is not.

The followers are usually the ones causing the trouble, as stated before, out their box on drink and maybe even drugs. Having such people BETWEEN bands only gives a bad image, as if the bands and what ever order they are from want them to be there, tarring the entire march with "just a bunch of drunk bigots tag". they should be behind the march. Let the bands do their thing.

This is the thing though, some people follow certain bands - some of their family marches with the band, they want to follow their son/daughters band and support them/watch them so chose to follow behind each band rather than the whole parade. Theres no breaking of each bands/rank or file..its only the rank of the whole march that is.

Again, refer to my very first point in this post. What is the bench mark? I've never marched for a band before, so I'm not one to comment "on what looks good" or what doesn't - personally couldn't care less - if I was marching it would be about the message and cause for me rather than worrying about how polished my brogues were or how straight my legs were.

I guess maybe with you being a military fanatic you like to see military like rank and file. Maybe just a personal thing.

Didn't say it was.

Apologies - the way you worded your post made it look soley like a snipe on republican marches. You can see how I came to that conclusion, right?

Don't think they are the pinnacle, just better organised and better ran. Sure there are drunk orange men carrying bannners, but not to the extent I have seen in Republican marches.

Again this maybe because of your military facination - republican marches are fewer and in fewer numbers that the rest. Ran by people with a different mantra and (rebelious) mentality - maybe this is why it's a bit uncooth for your imperialistic tastes, Sjonit.

[ally.h]

Originally Posted by MarkMono

This is done already, and is given far, far greater emphasis in our education than religion is. Religion at my school, and most of the schools in my area, was confined to learning about Islam and Buddhism in RE.

You go to a strict Catholic school or summat? You should be aware that the vast majority of schools in Scotland don't function in the manner you're describing.

Between 1998 and 2004, which I accept was five years ago and maybe things have changed, I went to what I guess you would call 'normal' state schools - Perth Academy and Dunblane High School. During the course of my time there we would have regular visits from chaplains at assembly, our school orchestra and choir would play at end of term services which were unquestionably held in churches with the rest of us marched down to listen to both them and a sermon, and we even had a visit from the Gideon bible people.

I can't claim that happens in every school in Scotland, however that's two schools in different areas, run by different councils, that claim to be non-denominational yet are still ramming christianity down childrens throats with maybe a bit of buddhism/islam on the side in RE which always seemed to me to be about marvelling at the 'otherness' of it all in a "some people aren't like us and do this" manner.

al.

[Tommy]

Generally the marching season's from April to August but if it's a nice day 'n all that in November....