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26th February 2006, 4:38pm
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#46 | | Better not to err
Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Glesgae
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| Re: More Annoying Conspiracy Stuff
He's employing a technique commonly referred to as sophistry, I'm a big fan of it.
(psst, SDXY, if you can't win the argument, rubbish the context.) | 
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26th February 2006, 4:41pm
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#47 | | A Jubilant Mass Editor
Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In a jar, mate.
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| Re: More Annoying Conspiracy Stuff
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Originally Posted by Witchhunter  Of course I have no figures, but its logical to consider the intact structure and floors will cause vast resistance and absorb energy from the upper falling floors. The 10 second figure given by the government would apply if there was only air resistance. Are you saying because there are no figures we can just miss all that out? | No, I'm saying that it's unscientific to start with the result you want (an answer greater than ten seconds), produce figures that give you a close answer (9.2 seconds), and then add in other factors without quantifying them and claim your desired result. In effect, you're saying "I don't know how much resistance the lower floors would have caused, but it must have been vast because I want it to be."
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26th February 2006, 4:44pm
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#48 | | We love this exaltation
Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Grianaig
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| Re: More Annoying Conspiracy Stuff
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Originally Posted by 1or2posts all i can say is ROFL. | That's some point. I dont know how DJToast will argue against that with diagrams, forumlae and a reasoned conclusion. Quote:
Originally Posted by reptilian its funny how people dont think.... dont look..... and hide there ears.. | Like this guy?  | |
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26th February 2006, 4:45pm
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#49 | | Guitars suck, its true.
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 4,113
| Re: More Annoying Conspiracy Stuff
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Originally Posted by Potatojunkie No, I'm saying that it's unscientific to start with the result you want (an answer greater than ten seconds), produce figures that give you a close answer (9.2 seconds), and then add in other factors without quantifying them and claim your desired result. In effect, you're saying "I don't know how much resistance the lower floors would have caused, but it must have been vast because I want it to be." | They're not vast because "I want them to be" they're vast because its logic and how the world of physics work. To be more specific I mean they are vast in consideration to the air resistance you had in your wee sum. Its unscientific to come to a conclusion when there is a piece of unknown data missing that so obviously needs to be taken into consideration. The resistance from the building can't be 0 or less than the air resistance....can it?
So going by logic I assume the other resistance would increase the time it took to fall, I'm not concluding but assuming since it can't be less afaik. Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyMonolith (psst, SDXY, if you can't win the argument, rubbish the context.) | This has nothing to do with "winning" an argument. Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy Like this guy? | Wtf! Where'd his ears go  | |
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26th February 2006, 4:47pm
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#50 | | Better not to err
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| Re: More Annoying Conspiracy Stuff
I don't believe you, lets agree to differ. | |
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26th February 2006, 4:50pm
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#51 | | John Ringo
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| Re: More Annoying Conspiracy Stuff
I love how this 1or2posts guy blames everyone for ignoring his (made-out-ofthin-air) "facts" but when the science is on the table he ignores it. Maybe it hurts their head too much? | |
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26th February 2006, 4:52pm
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#52 | | We love this exaltation
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| Re: More Annoying Conspiracy Stuff
Maybe he's hiding his ears! I do love that expression. | |
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26th February 2006, 4:56pm
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#53 | | John Ringo
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Oh Noes Where R Ur Earz??? | |
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27th February 2006, 1:22pm
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#54 | | Pure Fucking Seven
Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bath, SW England
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| Re: More Annoying Conspiracy Stuff
That is a serious bit of conspiracy theory! But i like it - there are so many bits of information which you pulled up that Michael Moore pulled up in 'Dude where's my country'
After reading yours and reading his there is only one conclusion - he was all controlled by the Western Govts so they could have a reason to go to war with Afganistan and Iraq.
One day when Bush and Blair have been taken out of power the truth will emerge and all will be understood...
Or alternatively i would like to see a revolution against the governments of the west. Oh hang on - i could be done under that terrorism law here, i better stop... | |
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27th February 2006, 4:27pm
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#55 | | Guitars suck, its true.
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11th December 2006, 10:36pm
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#56 | | Dungeon Master
Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Very Depths Of Lonliness
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| Ex-Mi6 officer David Shayler on Sky News
Mi6 officer discusses Litvinenko murder, 9/11 and 7/7 in mainstream media. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles..._b_Shayler.htm | |
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11th December 2006, 10:50pm
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#57 | | 2008,YEAR OF THE BAZ
Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: a wee loft in swinton
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| Re: Ex-Mi6 officer David Shayler on Sky News
i love this guy. been saying the same shit for years.
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12th December 2006, 1:15am
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#58 | | Infrequenter
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| Re: Ex-Mi6 officer David Shayler on Sky News
He must have a book out.
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12th December 2006, 6:28pm
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#59 | | Socially Unconscious
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| Re: Ex-Mi6 officer David Shayler on Sky News
Shayler pretty much hit the nail on the head, but alas, people will look the other way with their fingers in their ears going "na na nana na, i can't hear you, nananananana" rather than listen to someone with experience in terrorist hijack investigations (ie. Lockerbie), merely because the information presented is inconveniently at odds with their world-view.
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12th December 2006, 7:07pm
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#60 | | Dungeon Master
Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Very Depths Of Lonliness
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| Re: Ex-Mi6 officer David Shayler on Sky News
*puts fingers in ears* lalala can't hear you can't hear you lalala | |
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