9/11 Conspiracy Theories Megathread (please read first post)

[Largest of Als]

Here you go Toast.. I think this is what you were looking for..




Al

[MarkMono]

Or alternately just stop reading. It wouldn't be half as irritating a read if I wasn't so deeply dubious of the motivations of the sad motherfuckers who spend their lives debating the meaningless. Harmless enough maybe, but they seem to be constantly tossing cheap shots at each other just to reiterate how stupid everyone else for not simply agreeing with every word they say.

'Count To A Million' actually has more relevance to your lives than this thread.

[LesMTS]

Originally Posted by MarkMono

Or alternately just stop reading. It wouldn't be half as irritating a read if I wasn't so deeply dubious of the motivations of the sad motherfuckers who spend their lives debating the meaningless. Harmless enough maybe, but they seem to be constantly tossing cheap shots at each other just to reiterate how stupid everyone else for not simply agreeing with every word they say.

'Count To A Million' actually has more relevance to your lives than this thread.

My motivation is the fun of debate. I find debating the meaningless pretty good fun, and this particular debate involves things that I'm pretty interested in and passionate about. I'm certainly not doing it because I think I'm any smarter than anyone else, or to try to convince myself that I am. As far as I'm concerned I'm having a friendly to-and-fro.
What's irrelevant to life about learning how others are looking at the world?

[MarkMono]

Not sure how thats relevant either. Sounds good though.

I can understand the joy of exploring logical puzzles, especially those titillating scandals that offer no solid answers, but if you think thats what fuels this debate then I'm forced to consider you at least a little blinkered. Actually, scratch that, I know you don't think that, but not everyone is as prone to scientific curiousity as yourself and I suspect that most just love having conspiracy theories in the world as another reason to blame how bad things are in their own lives. Which becomes even more ridiculous when you consider how little relevance it has to our lives, and how exasperated people can become with the obvious stupidity of everyone that doesn't agree with them. Unless by importance you mean it still gets loads of media play, but that still doesn't make it any more relevant to anything in my life.

This sort of conspiracy theory is just an adolescent power trip for the lonely.

[djtoast]

how exasperated people can become with the obvious stupidity of everyone that doesn't agree with them

that's not accurate, and nor was your remark about condescension.

i have a lot of respect for mister p. Radio, and i never equate not knowing something with being "stupid" ; the size=7 words you parrodied were just an attempt to get an answer directly aimed at the points i was making, and exhasperated not because i think anyone is stupid - that would be easy, i'd think "okay, they're not able to understand" and move on... quite the reverse, it's exasperating to argue with someone who clearly is intelligent, but just happens not to be equipped with the one particular only slightly specialst bit of learning needed to be able to see things from another perspective.

and the thing is, i'm not even saying the towers weren't blown up, newtownian mechanics can't prove that, but it can and does prove that they didn't need to be; or to put it another way, it's impossible to surmise that they were, simply from watching, because what we see would be identical whether they were or not.

and here's the crucial bit: there's four very, very simple formulas that show what'll happen to pretty much anything when forces act on it.

F = ma
S = ut + ½ at²
a = (v-u)/t
v² = u² + 2(aS)

It's not hard, and playing around with these for a few weeks makes everything very intuitive. you'd don't even need to worry about things like air resistance and friction in this case, they change things in such a minor way. concepts like conservation of momentum don't really need to be considered because the buildings were stationary before they fell; thinking of things in terms of energy instead of / as well as forces could make some sense (potential energy in the upper section of the buildings became kinetic energy; you could also consider impulse, pressure, and so on. you could even look at stress/strain, moments (turning forces) of inertia, and so on and so on. But these approaches just sorta fine-tune what the most basic approach (F=ma) tells us.

So this area is a dead end for postulating that there were explosives present. While you can form sentences suggetsing that there must have been, you can't support that with numbers, calculations... If you think there were explosives involved, finding out who (directly, physically) put them there, on whose orders, funded by whom, exactly when (and how) etc would be an interesting line of enquiry. But I urge anyone interested in this topic to get acquainted with those equations of Newtonian Mechanics, they're very straightforward and you don't have to rely on what other people have concluded, you can work out for yourself exactly what happened, how, when, etc in a few minutes with a pencil and paper.

[MarkMono]

Originally Posted by djtoast

that's not accurate, and nor was your remark about condescension.

It wasn't directed at you, but the one about condescension was dead on.

Clearly! Obviously!!!

Modify your language if you don't want to be interpreted as condescending. Though I'm unclear as to why you chose this point to pick up on, no offence was intended and I kepy my post short and concise in order to clearly state my point.

Take it to PM y'all.

[erithromycin]

It came to me in a vision. The devil did it.

[reptilian]

Originally Posted by MarkMono

It wasn't directed at you, but the one about condescension was dead on.

Clearly! Obviously!!!

Modify your language if you don't want to be interpreted as condescending. Though I'm unclear as to why you chose this point to pick up on, no offence was intended and I kepy my post short and concise in order to clearly state my point.

Take it to PM y'all.

JESUS, i just saw the dummy get spat right out of the pram.....

[MarkMono]

Y'like? That was just the effect I was aiming for.

[Campestral]

i think smart people are sometimes too clever, they don't want their concept of the logical world upset by conspiricists because that is a paradigm shift. i agree with the conspiricay theorists because they make more sense than the people negating them. it's obvious that the us government is corrupt and it's obvious that tony blair is corrupt. it's the emperor's new clothes. maybe smart people don't like it because it conflicts with our ideas of a democracy? i think the conspiricies that go on without our knowledge are probably far worse than the twin towers if that was or wasn't it doesn't really matter.

we have it better than most and shouldn't be always negative about things but the rose tinted glasses should be left for the sunshine and not the darkness

[Mia Destruction]

everyone always seems to come up with some freakin theroy about how our goverment did this and it did that.. for example the jfk assassination... Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby these guys.. how they did it there plotting its all freakin proven over and over ... but someone wants to come up with another shooter in a corner... of some building... blah blah blah! let it go it was a tragedy... people play off things like this... and you fall for it ... lets make money off of something so horrific ,,,,,ridiculous mind set eh!.. just look at crazy michael moore. he made so much of bowling for columbine its gross... cut the CT bull Ca*p and let these people memory rest.did our goverment know about all this? maybe.. but would they really go to such great lengths to start a war? again maybe.maybe not.i think we've watched a little to much of Wag the Dog.its over.let it rest.

[pANDAS Radio]

Originally Posted by Mia Destruction

for example the jfk assassination... Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby these guys.. how they did it there plotting its all freakin proven over and over ... but someone wants to come up with another shooter in a corner... of some building... blah blah blah!

I think you'll find that JFKs assassination was never proven either way. Neither did the official documents about the case ever get released, something which they legally should have been.

So please, enlighten the world as to the proof of "their" plotting. I would very much like to know who "they" are as the official line is that Lee Harvey Oswald worked alone. Or are you suggesting that Oswald and Ruby plotted it?

And this time can you try not to write out your thoughts in the manner of a 5 year old.

[Largest of Als]

Originally Posted by pANDAS Radio

I think you'll find that JFKs assassination was never proven either way. Neither did the official documents about the case ever get released, something which they legally should have been.

So please, enlighten the world as to the proof of "their" plotting. I would very much like to know who "they" are as the official line is that Lee Harvey Oswald worked alone. Or are you suggesting that Oswald and Ruby plotted it?

And this time can you try not to write out your thoughts in the manner of a 5 year old.

Watch the Zapruder film carefully.. THE DRIVER shoots him!! it's not until someone points it out to you that you actually see it.. honestly.. it's true..


Al

[pANDAS Radio]

He wasn't shot, Rick Baker set the whole thing up as JFK had made a bet with Sinatra that he could get an international airport named after him by the end of the year.

[Mia Destruction]

oy! ahahha controversy after controversy do you love it or do you love it?