9/11 Conspiracy Theories Megathread (please read first post)

[1or2posts]

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“Naturally the common people don’t want war… whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a parliament or a communist dictatorship… all you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism”.
– Herman Goering at the Nuremberg Trials.

400 families who lost relatives on 911 have brought a $7 billion lawsuit against the Bush and other governmental administrations.

Not one of the alleged hijackers was from Afghanistan.

There are two Black Boxes on each large airliner and these boxes are built to withstand major crashes, yet the FAA says that most of the information on all eight black boxes was destroyed.

The official story is that flight 93 was hijacked and later crashed. But the evidence shows that the plane was shot down, because the debris was scattered over an eight-mile radius and the largest pieces of debris were the size of a phone book.

Several years ago a small private jet malfunctioned causing the pilot to pass out and lose contact with the FAA. Within 18 minutes NORAD had scrambled an F16. Another four minutes and there were four F16’s flying in tandem. This is Standard Operating Procedure. NORAD has the highest quality tracking technology in the world and it is their responsibility to monitor the skies over America. In the case of 911, no F16’s or any other planes were scrambled in time for flights 11 or 175 that took off from Boston. There was 36 minutes between the time the FAA knew there was a hijacking and the time flight 175 crashed into the South Tower. Flight 77 was in the air for over 43 minutes heading off course towards the Pentagon. Andrews Air-Force Base is only minutes away yet no planes were scrambled until after the attack. There are several more military bases in the area.

After the Oklahoma City bombing, the debris was quickly hauled away by Controlled Demolition Inc., “the innovator and global leader in the controlled demolition and implosion of structures”. They were called in after 911 and kept everyone from examining or taking photos of the rubble.


ANTHRAX AND MORE STRANGE DEATHS

In the weeks after 911 anonymous letters were sent to several unsuspecting people filled with the deadly anthrax powder. The corporate media at first blamed Al Qaeda but the Council on Foreign Relations shifted the focus to Saddam Hussein. Later when scientific analysis was made proving that this strain was only made at an American weapons laboratory the story disappeared. The sales of Cipro, an expensive designer antibiotic went through the roof. President Bush and his inner circle were put on Cipro a month before 911. Eighteen prominent biologists and virologists from around the world who had knowledge about anthrax mysteriously died between Sept15/01 and Nov20/02.

John O’Neil was a Deputy Director of the FBI and resigned his post because of interference from the Clinton and Bush administrations in the investigation of Al Qaeda. He said, “the main obstacles to investigating Islamic terrorism were US oil corporate interests”. He was later hired as the director of security at the WTC starting on 911. He was killed in the WTC attacks on that day.

Senator Paul Wellstone who spoke out against the official version of 911 asked that there be an official examination. Shortly after, his private aircraft went down, killing him, his family, campaign workers and the pilots. No cause of accident has been released.

Conspiracy theorists claim it is the goal of the ‘Illumaniti’ to kill the US economy and make-off with the moolah (like what happened with Enron on a much bigger scale).


PRIOR KNOWLEDGE

The FBI, CIA, NSA and administration all claim no prior knowledge. Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco, Salmon Rushdie and John Ashcroft have all made public statements that they were warned not to fly on commercial planes at the time. German police, Israeli Intelligence and the Egyptian President all warned of the coming attacks against the WTC and the Pentagon.

The managers of the flight school where alleged hijackers were taking flight lessons called the FBI several times. Regional FBI agents were prevented from doing a full investigation by central headquarters. Flight instructor Rick Garza who trained them said, “It was like dumb and dumber. I mean, they were clueless. It was clear to me they weren’t going to make it as pilots”. Flights 175 and 77 came down from 30000 feet, performed fast and tight 280 degree veers, and hit their targets with bulls eye precision, all by hand. These manoeuvres would be virtually impossible for any but the most advanced pilots to accomplish.

Flights 11, 176, 93 and 77 had combined seating for more than 1300 passengers, while on that day occupancy was only 20%. Normal occupancy for these flights is 75%. American and United Airlines are not commenting. Of the eight pilots on the four flights six had military experience and were considered ‘men who could take care of themselves’. Hijackers using paper cutters allegedly overwhelmed all of them.

On the morning of 911 President Bush was at a school in Florida. Before going into the classroom, Andrew Card, the White House chief of staff, told him that Flight 11 had just crashed into the North Tower. Bush proceeded into the classroom to hear a story about a pet goat. Andrew Card came in and told him that a second airliner had hit the WTC South Tower. He stayed in the classroom for another 26 minutes. After leaving, it took him another 29 minutes before he put the military on high alert, by which time the Pentagon had also been hit.


FUNNY MONEY

In the week before 911 there was an increase of 1200% in trading activity of orders to ‘go short’ on the stocks of American and United Airlines, as reported by the Chicago Securities Exchange. This happens when investors expect the stock to decrease in value. Tens of millions of dollars were made by those who appear to have had forewarning. According to the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and the London Independent, a high percentage of this activity came from Deutche Bank/AB Brown. The principal manager of this firm until 1998 is now the director of the CIA. There has been no investigation into this.

There were huge international deposits of gold bullion stored in the vault in the WTC basement. Although the gold could have melted, it would not be pulverised. It disappeared after 911. It is also alleged that there were substantial digital deposits credited to the WTC bank. They also vanished.

The Bin Laden and Bush families have been business partners for many years. For example, in 1977 George W Bush started Arbusto Energy Co. One of his first major investors was Salem Bin Laden.

The Bush family is deeply involved with the Carlisle Group, as are the Bin Ladens. The Carlisle Group are one of the USA’s largest defence contractors and a multi-national corporation, generating huge profits from ‘the war on terror’. Dick Cheney is another big investor.

The WTC land lease was sold to a Mr Silverstein for $100 million. He is claiming $7.1 billion insurance on the attacks. He has also admitted on camera that the collapse of WTC 7 was a controlled demolition and justified it by stating that the structure had become unstable.

On Aug15/01 many of the leaders of the Taliban were in Houston negotiating with the Unocal Corporation for rights to build a gas pipeline from east of the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan. The new President of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzal, is a former employee of Unocal.

The World Bank and the IMF now control the Afghanistan economy. Opium production in Afghanistan has increased by over 900% since the war.


TOWERS COLLAPSE
AND THE ATTACK ON THE PENTAGON

Construction on the WTC buildings 1 and 2 commenced on 911, 1971. They were over-engineered to withstand major storms and hits from large airliners. Built with 47 interior steel core columns, 236 exterior steel columns welded and bolted together with steel plates, and thousands of crisscrossed steel trusses, they were architecturally designed to absorb energy and to sway in storms. No steel structured building in history has ever come down due to fire, even though in the last hundred years dozens of steel buildings have caught fire and burned for long periods of time.

Seismic activity as documented by Columbia University Seismology Group strongly suggests that a series of bombs were detonated in cadence on 911.

The fires in WTC 1 and 2 burned significant proportions of rubble producing lots of black smoke, which indicates inefficient fires. Therefore, the fires at the WTC probably burned at 1200 to 1300 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel melts at 2700 degrees Fahrenheit. Jet fuel can briefly burn at a maximum of 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, contrary to publicised claims that the burning fuel melted the columns.

The top 35 stories of the South Tower began to tilt at 9:59 am. A large cloud of grey dust suddenly puffed out of the building. They continued to tip to 23 degrees, hanging over the edge by about 65 feet. A concentric and uniform mushroom cloud then rapidly expanded to envelope the building. Debris was blown away from the building with a powerful blast. The whole building came straight down and the overhanging section was never seen again. The government’s story is that the building experienced a ‘compression’. If there had been a compressed demolition of the building it would not be uniform because the centre of gravity was considerably off-centre.

The complete demolition of the North Tower at 10:29 am took 8.1 seconds. According to The Law of Falling Bodies as originally put forward by Galileo and still accepted today by all scientists,

Distance (d) = (32.16/2) x Time in Seconds Squared. If there is any resistance (ie floors beneath), the speed of the falling body slows down in relation to it. Towers 1 and 2 were 1350 feet tall.

1350 = (32.16/2) x Time in Seconds Squared, which works out as 9.1627 being the fastest time that the buildings could come down in free fall. Something pulled them down at a faster rate.

Regarding the grey cloud that concentrically blasted out chasing thousands of onlookers down the streets; a blast of jet fuel could not create this crystallisation because it only expands at 208 feet per second. There is not enough latent energy in a compression demolition to create this either; the cement would crack and break but would not pulverise. This reaction can only be catalysed by small-scale nuclear devices or high-tech explosives which could cause this crystallisation while creating a vacuum that could pull down these buildings at a faster than normal speed.

FEMA put forward the pancake theory. For the WTC buildings to react in this way, thousands of super heavy-duty joints and welds would have to snap at precisely the same instant. But the burning patterns were inconsistent throughout the floors. A pancake collapse could not come down with such velocity.

Five days after the attack, NASA flew a plane over the site to take measurements and create a thermal surface map. The results showed that there were several hot spots with temperatures over 1000 Fahrenheit on the surface. Neither a compression demolition nor tons of jet fuel have the potential to create such heat, much less maintain this heat for days afterwards.

There was a huge explosion that emanated from the centre of WTC 6. What caused it to explode before it caught fire? Why didn’t this building come down like the others?

The WTC 7 fires were relatively minor and had been burning for less than 3 hours when the whole structure came tumbling down at 5:25 pm. It appears to have been a totally controlled demolition. Neither FEMA, nor anyone else, made a report on WTC 7.

The Pentagon is supposedly the most protected building of the American Armed Forces. We are told that a known hijacked plane that was three states to the west made a 180-degree turn towards it, culminating in the attack of the military command centre of the USA. There are more cameras and surveillance equipment around Washington DC than any place in the world. The military released two videos of the incident that don’t even show the attacking plane. Within fifteen minutes after the alleged crash the FBI were driving to local businesses to confiscate their surveillance equipment.

[djtoast]

I bet the "C" and "V" buttons on your keyboard are shiny from overuse, my friend.

Some interesting points but much of it is laughable, in particular the discussion of how the buildings fell; something "pulling them down from below" (ie a vacuum, you suggest) is just utter tripe.

It's a great shame that, while I'm keen to know as much as possible on these issues, the interesting and plausible is always muddled up with this claptrap.

[Jaemi]

You CT types have to learn to be more communicative.
And stop thinking that you've got some sort of "higher knowledge" becuase you sit in your bedroom, thinking up theories, then publishing them on the internet and passing them off as fact.

When someone posts one of these, you're not allowed to disagree or else the poster takes great offence, and starts to treat you like an idiot for not believing everything you read....oh wait.

[1or2posts]

I did copy and paste. From a word document. A word document I made myself from a large number of sources of research including official press documents from legitimate newspapers your daddy reads every day. Laugh all you like. Newtons law is solid. If you're calling that formula laughable, you had better take it up with the scientific community. Here's laughing at you :P

Why are u defending these people anyway? Do you like Tony Blair? Do you believe Dubya Bush is a man of intellect who is running the USA? I mock thee, feeble earthling, yea of minute intelligence who is too afraid to find out things for himself. Eat my shit booby face, cos u deserve it hahahaha

[Jaemi]

Originally Posted by Witchhunter

its not usually a case of just not disagreeing, its a case of other posters being morons about it. I recently posted something (oh dear it happend to have been posted before) asking for answers to the questions if anyone was willing to give answers. Yet some people still had to wap out their idiot hats.

It's cause people are sick of:
"Aliens are the cause of 9/11 and if you don't believe it then you're just fucking moron"
Type shit.
Also, everythread you post is about some conspiracy or another. This might strike you as odd, but not everyone cares about these things as much as you do. Try contributing to the forum in other ways.

[Jaemi]

Newton's law?
Which one?

[djtoast]

Laugh all you like. Newtons law is solid. If you're calling that formula laughable, you had better take it up with the scientific community. Here's laughing at you :P

I dunno if it's quicker to re-type this or search for the last time I typed it.

No, Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation isn't laughable, the complete failure to understand it in that example ^^^ is.

Something falls to earth with an acceration of approximately 9.81 metres per second squared irrespective of its mass (usually but incorrectly referred to as "weight") in the abridged version; this is taking into account the fact that the mass of the earth makes the mass of most falling objects negligible. The more accurate version is that the attraction between two objects is

G(Mm)/Rexp2 where Big G is the gravitational constant (6.67exp-11 for SI units), M and m are the masses of the objects (in our case earth... and... the WTC!) and R is the distance between their centres of mass.

HOWEVER

Acceleration is produced by the RESULTANT FORCE acting upon a body... otherwise, we'd be plummeting through the floor we're standing on right now. There an equal and opposite force provided by the chair you're sitting on that stops that happening.

SO

trying to calculate the downward acceleration is pretty meaningless without knowing the RESULTANT forces acting on each piece of concrete, each steel beam in the WTC.

The downward force is easy, it's just the mass in kg mulitplied by the 9.81m/s/s referred to earlier BUT THERE'S NO DISCUSSION of the upwward forces involved (provided by the structure of the buildings, ie what had been holding them up for 30 years), so trying to draw any conclusion is just silly.


apparently I AM the scientific community

I'm not arguing this point to frustrate you, I just wanna see it done properly, you weaken your case with these half-baked inaccuracies.

[Witchhunter]

I like djtoast's posts on this sort of stuff.

Personally I think drawing conclusion from the facts and figures of 911 is silly because there are far to many questions involved for any conclusions to be made imo. However i do like to discuss the questions and figure them out if possible...although there's never the chance for that on here.

[djtoast]

Thanks

Here's my take on this bit:

(although I'd LOVE to know which scientists work in feet and seconds not SI units .)

The correct way to work out how fast something falling from the height of the top of the towers to the ground (with no forces other than gravity acting on it) is

S=ut+ 1/2 a(t)EXP2

so S = 1350 feet or 411.5 metres
u, the initial velocity is 0
t is what we want,
a = 9.81

so 411.5=0+ 1/2 9.81.(tEXP2)

so 823 = 9.81.tEXP2

so t squared is about 83.9

so t is indeed 9.26


NOW

tell me where the hell this comes from:

The complete demolition of the North Tower at 10:29 am took 8.1 seconds.

Oh, suddenly we're all out of science. The prospects of correctly timing something falling TO EARTH when the ground is completely invisible due to an enormous cloud of dust seems to me to be problematic at best and more likely, impossible.

[johnnie walker]

finally, the 9/11 and all other conspiracies have been solved:

IT WAS NATHANS FAULT!

[Rev Scapegoat]

Man, this is "Tragic"...

[Witchhunter]

Whoo so its ok to spam threads with insults and childish bitching and ruin the thread but its not ok to react at such ignorance.

If it makes you happy to think I'm just looking for an argument then you believe that all you like.

However since there are now a couple more people willing to discuss it properly and the insults have died down.....

Originally Posted by 1or2posts

Naturally the common people don’t want war… whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a parliament or a communist dictatorship… all you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism”.
– Herman Goering at the Nuremberg Trials.

The full quote -

"“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”"

There are two Black Boxes on each large airliner and these boxes are built to withstand major crashes, yet the FAA says that most of the information on all eight black boxes was destroyed.

Yet one of the hijackers (paper) passport survived the initial crash, explosion and then the collapse of the towers.....riiiiiight

The official story is that flight 93 was hijacked and later crashed. But the evidence shows that the plane was shot down, because the debris was scattered over an eight-mile radius and the largest pieces of debris were the size of a phone book.

Not a single body was seen at the crash site (which is unusual for a plane crash) or the surrounding area.

After the Oklahoma City bombing, the debris was quickly hauled away by Controlled Demolition Inc., “the innovator and global leader in the controlled demolition and implosion of structures”. They were called in after 911 and kept everyone from examining or taking photos of the rubble.

The twin towers debris was shipped abroad within months to other countries to be dumped, considering it was a crime scene they got rid of it unusually quickly and all evidence of the scene has been destroyed as a result.

On the morning of 911 President Bush was at a school in Florida. Before going into the classroom, Andrew Card, the White House chief of staff, told him that Flight 11 had just crashed into the North Tower. Bush proceeded into the classroom to hear a story about a pet goat. Andrew Card came in and told him that a second airliner had hit the WTC South Tower. He stayed in the classroom for another 26 minutes. After leaving, it took him another 29 minutes before he put the military on high alert, by which time the Pentagon had also been hit.

Maybe he was warned to stay put, the thing is there are many reasons why he may not have moved...the main one being he's just the figure head not the guy who does the hard work.

The WTC land lease was sold to a Mr Silverstein for $100 million. He is claiming $7.1 billion insurance on the attacks. He has also admitted on camera that the collapse of WTC 7 was a controlled demolition and justified it by stating that the structure had become unstable.

He only received 2.5billion in insurance though.....heh but still thats a nice profit.

Construction on the WTC buildings 1 and 2 commenced on 911, 1971. They were over-engineered to withstand major storms and hits from large airliners. Built with 47 interior steel core columns, 236 exterior steel columns welded and bolted together with steel plates, and thousands of crisscrossed steel trusses, they were architecturally designed to absorb energy and to sway in storms. No steel structured building in history has ever come down due to fire, even though in the last hundred years dozens of steel buildings have caught fire and burned for long periods of time.

Aye the architect did say the builden had been designed to take the impact of airliners. The empire state building had a ww2 bomber airplane crash into it (in the 1940's I think), it was rebuilt and is still standing strong.

The WTC 7 fires were relatively minor and had been burning for less than 3 hours when the whole structure came tumbling down at 5:25 pm. It appears to have been a totally controlled demolition. Neither FEMA, nor anyone else, made a report on WTC 7.

They said it was a controlled demolition.

[TragicHero]

Originally Posted by Rev Scapegoat

Man, this is "Tragic"...

Uh-uh, not me! If it was I'd post it in my own account.

[1or2posts]

ok roasty toasty smarty pants explain this (by the way I have a video of this happening - its not "made up"):

The top 35 stories of the South Tower began to tilt at 9:59 am. A large cloud of grey dust suddenly puffed out of the building. They continued to tip to 23 degrees, hanging over the edge by about 65 feet. A concentric and uniform mushroom cloud then rapidly expanded to envelope the building. Debris was blown away from the building with a powerful blast. The whole building came straight down and the overhanging section was never seen again. The government’s story is that the building experienced a ‘compression’. If there had been a compressed demolition of the building it would not be uniform because the centre of gravity was considerably off-centre.

[Lowtone]

Originally Posted by 1or2posts

ok roasty toasty smarty pants explain this (by the way I have a video of this happening - its not "made up"):

Maybe somebody made the video up.
Ever seen Thunderbirds? It's that easy!