Capital Punishment

[Zooropa]

Whoa.

[fallen_nemesis]

Originally Posted by Caissa's_DeathAngel

http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/

An interesting resource for an unpopular stance (relatively speaking). I like this quote from the front page:

you must have some ego on you to feel you're qualified to make a descision like that <<<<at the quote



I'm going to respectfully decline from this arguement any further. Not because I don't feel strongly about the issue - I do. This is one of few political issues I feel rediculously strongly about. I'd end up going on and on for hours though and possibly getting quite angrey about the whole thing.

I've said everything I'm going to say a few times in other threads on this topic. Time to let someone else get a word in edgeways heh

The conclusions you've came I don't believe you came to without a good deal of thought on the matter, so I respect your view here. I do not agree with it in the slightest though. <<<<at addy, cassiusfeatures (whatever it is these days)

[TSR]

Originally Posted by Zooropa

Fucking hell, they don't even pretend to be rational

why should someone pretend to be something they're not? waste of time and effort, and makes them in-consisstant...which you'd no doubt pick up on and point out
(didn't mean that to sound TOO harsh)

Originally Posted by Zooropa

We've been here before, and we know it goes round in circles.

true

I'm not getting lured into an argument, but "An eye for an eye" is so cliche and redundant it deserves nothing but contempt.

it was a short post designed to convey the general opinion of the poster. it saddens me you'd slate anyone simply because you don't like that particular 'cliche'

Originally Posted by Hugoshavez

My comment wasn't so much directed at the forumer as the concept itself

everyone says stuff that's read/taken wrongly. sorry if i miss-read it - hard to pick up 'tones' when it's just text

[Tommy]

It's wrong. Apart from the innocent lives that are taken, its totally barbaric and as a 21st Civilisation I'm sure we can come up with better crime deterrents than "an eye for an eye".


FAO all the folk that approve of the death penalty:

Do you also agree with acts of punishment such as flogging, or Islamic laws such as having your arms / fingers cut off for stealing? Surely if your route of deterrent by the use of force would allow for such barbaric acts to occur?

[Addy]

Originally Posted by fallen_nemesis

you must have some ego on you to feel you're qualified to make a descision like that <<<<at the quote



I'm going to respectfully decline from this arguement any further. Not because I don't feel strongly about the issue - I do. This is one of few political issues I feel rediculously strongly about. I'd end up going on and on for hours though and possibly getting quite angrey about the whole thing.

I've said everything I'm going to say a few times in other threads on this topic. Time to let someone else get a word in edgeways heh

The conclusions you've came I don't believe you came to without a good deal of thought on the matter, so I respect your view here. I do not agree with it in the slightest though. <<<<at addy, cassiusfeatures (whatever it is these days)

And I don't doubt your views are well founded and strongly justified either. : This is one of the big things that I have furious opinions on that I can genuinely see the other side of the argument (compare to the EU, smoking, and vivisection and I struggle to accept the idea that the first two might be justified and the latter not).

I'm used to long slagging matches with my family and have won competitive debates on the subject. I maintain that one of my best debating successes was causing a Quaker friend of mine to stop arguing against it with me as well (needless to say, it took some going to do that)

[fallen_nemesis]

Originally Posted by Caissa's_DeathAngel

Speaking neutrally I've always found it interesting that some people oppose it because it is barbaric and others because it is too lenient - saves the suffering/anguish of a life sentence. Interesting...

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I find it both to be honest.

Barbaric on the part of the state. It's a quite naive simplistic backwards way of dealing with a problem. I'd like to think any so called advanced nation is beyond that . The actual act itself is barbaric too in the case of all capital punishment. How is physical harm a real punishment. You can't beat someone into remose

In other ways it's lenient. Nothing in life is worse punishment than remorse and guilt for previous actions. You carry that with you as long as you live.

[wee scary burd]

Originally Posted by Tommy

It's wrong. Apart from the innocent lives that are taken, its totally barbaric and as a 21st Civilisation I'm sure we can come up with better crime deterrents than "an eye for an eye".


FAO all the folk that approve of the death penalty:

Do you also agree with acts of punishment such as flogging, or Islamic laws such as having your arms / fingers cut off for stealing? Surely if your route of deterrent by the use of force would allow for such barbaric acts to occur?

Well you steal something then get your hands cut off, you're not likely to do it again are you!?

[Hugoshavez]

Originally Posted by Caissa's_DeathAngel

And the word "bawbag" is frequently applied to abstract concepts...

that's different. bawbag was directed at ham and egg

[Addy]

Originally Posted by Tommy

It's wrong. Apart from the innocent lives that are taken, its totally barbaric and as a 21st Civilisation I'm sure we can come up with better crime deterrents than "an eye for an eye".


FAO all the folk that approve of the death penalty:

Do you also agree with acts of punishment such as flogging, or Islamic laws such as having your arms / fingers cut off for stealing? Surely if your route of deterrent by the use of force would allow for such barbaric acts to occur?

Yes, flogging. For certain things its a good alternative to prison - 6 of the best, with 12 the next time. Nothing like the 500 lashes they give in the Arab nations, I mean just a few (the numbers arent really scaled down in that example). Like a short sharp shock from school (and yes, I wish that were brought back*

*steps back from exploding Can of Worms*

[Zooropa]

Originally Posted by TSR

why should someone pretend to be something they're not? waste of time and effort, and makes them in-consisstant...which you'd no doubt pick up on and point out
(didn't mean that to sound TOO harsh)


true

it was a short post designed to convey the general opinion of the poster. it saddens me you'd slate anyone simply because you don't like that particular 'cliche'

I slated the view, not the poster, as is pretty evident.

everyone says stuff that's read/taken wrongly. sorry if i miss-read it - hard to pick up 'tones' when it's just text

Not one person has the right to take another's life.
Regardless of what they have done.
That about sums up my thoughts on it.

Again.

[Addy]

Originally Posted by fallen_nemesis

I find it both to be honest.

Barbaric on the part of the state. It's a quite naive simplistic backwards way of dealing with a problem. I'd like to think any so called advanced nation is beyond that . The actual act itself is barbaric too in the case of firing squad or the electric chair.

In other ways it's lenient. Nothing in life is worse punishment than remorse and guilt for previous actions. You carry that with you as long as you live.

Kinda the same for me - in some ways there simply isn't a balance. However, it can also be used to justify it to different people - if you think a lifetime of mental anguish is too harsh, it may be justified, and if you are a barbaric person it might be justified. Note that I don't agree with it for either of these reasons, I'm just saying that what dissuades some often persuades others if turned around.

[wee scary burd]

Originally Posted by Zooropa

I slated the view, not the poster, as is pretty evident.



Not one person has the right to take another's life.
Regardless of what they have done.
That about sums up my thoughts on it.

Again.

Who says? God? Does that only count then if you believe in God? And whose God would that be?

[TSR]

Originally Posted by Zooropa

Whoa.

what? you think she chose 'wee_scary_burd" as her screenie cos she doesn't have teeth and nails?

Originally Posted by Tommy

Do you also agree with acts of punishment such as flogging, or Islamic laws such as having your arms / fingers cut off for stealing? Surely if your route of deterrent by the use of force would allow for such barbaric acts to occur?

yes. and technically owning a pet is barbaric (take them out their natural habbitat/etc)

Originally Posted by fallen_nemesis

In other ways it's lenient. Nothing in life is worse punishment than remorse and guilt for previous actions. You carry that with you as long as you live.

put into isolation/solitary for the rest of your days with only grey paste to eat. the door only opens when you're dead, and you go in naked (so you can't make rope+kill yourself)

[Addy]

As long as nobody tries to oppose the death penalty on the most laughable excuse for an argument I've heard for a long time - that murder and the death penalty are morally equivalent - I'm satisfied...

[Zooropa]

Originally Posted by wee scary burd

Who says? God? Does that only count then if you believe in God? And whose God would that be?

Uh, no-one mentioned God. Calm down.
And I certainly don't base any of my moral views on anything in the bible.

If anything "An eye for an eye" is biblical - from Exodus.