Capital Punishment

[fallen_nemesis]

Originally Posted by wee scary burd

Who says? God? Does that only count then if you believe in God? And whose God would that be?

that can be your view regardless of religious beliefs. I have no organised religious beliefs and I'm also of this opinion for many reasons.

just two of them being - I don't think I'm better than anyone else of under the illusions of grandeur that I have the right to make a descision on who lives or who dies. It's a government controlled murder mentality. Basically if the government proposes it then it's ok. It's not. It never can be. No matter what your reasons, be they government controlled killing/execution / ethnic cleansing or your a serial murderer.

[TSR]

Originally Posted by wee scary burd

Who says? God? Does that only count then if you believe in God? And whose God would that be?

"kell 'em all and let God sort 'em out!"

the only downside i can see to that, is that 'God' wouldn't like you very much cos of all the extra paper work and civil servants he'd need

[fallen_nemesis]

Originally Posted by Zooropa

If anything "An eye for an eye" is biblical - from Exodus.

GAH! beaten to it. I was about to mention that

[wee scary burd]

I know the quote, i just love how people jump on the defensive with things like this then cant give an answer.
I put this to you, the general forumers...Who said that no one has the right to take another human life?
I know this may be many peoples personal belief and before everybugger neg reps me im NOT dissin that!

[Addy]

Originally Posted by wee scary burd

I know the quote, i just love how people jump on the defensive with things like this then cant give an answer.
I put this to you, the general forumers...Who said that no one has the right to take another human life?
I know this may be many peoples personal belief and before everybugger neg reps me im NOT dissin that!

Let me put it this way, do I have the right to take your life? If so, why? How come?

[fallen_nemesis]

Originally Posted by wee scary burd

I know the quote, i just love how people jump on the defensive with things like this then cant give an answer.
I put this to you, the general forumers...Who said that no one has the right to take another human life?
I know this may be many peoples personal belief and before everybugger neg reps me im NOT dissin that!

in short my moral conscience and beliefs say it's wrong. Just like yours say it's right. Hence it's a point of debate and being debated fiercely by both sides I might add (not just the people supposedly jumping on the defensive. There's as much offensive jumping going on too)

[TSR]

Originally Posted by Caissa's_DeathAngel

Let me put it this way, do I have the right to take your life? If so, why? How come?

would depend on the circumstances, surely?

[Zooropa]

Originally Posted by wee scary burd

I know the quote, i just love how people jump on the defensive with things like this then cant give an answer.
I put this to you, the general forumers...Who said that no one has the right to take another human life?
I know this may be many peoples personal belief and before everybugger neg reps me im NOT dissin that!

What do you feel I can't given an answer to?

I assumed it was a given that in stating something here it's accepted as their own belief, and nothing else.
No-one need to have "said it" for it to be adpoted as such.
It's a product of my own morals and ideals, and certainly has no direct grounding in religion.

[Addy]

Originally Posted by TSR

would depend on the circumstances, surely?

That goes without saying

Really should codify my beliefs in writing sometime...

[wee scary burd]

Originally Posted by Caissa's_DeathAngel

Let me put it this way, do I have the right to take your life? If so, why? How come?

My answer to that would be i dont know. I wouldnt actually care. If you wanna go with the God thing, apparantly we were all given something called free will. The whole "thou shalt not kill" effort came much much later.
Still no answer to my post tho...

[Tommy]

You cant just go kill folk, you become what you hate which is stupid.

[TSR]

Originally Posted by Caissa's_DeathAngel

That goes without saying

WELL I FELT THE URGE TO SAY IT, OK?!?!?!

Originally Posted by Tommy

You cant just go kill folk, you become what you hate which is stupid.

i don't think anyone's trying to suggest killing people without fair trial+appeals

[wee scary burd]

Originally Posted by fallen_nemesis

in short my moral conscience and beliefs say it's wrong. Just like yours say it's right. Hence it's a point of debate and being debated fiercely by both sides I might add (not just the people supposedly jumping on the defensive. There's as much offensive jumping going on too)

Hang on, when did i say my moral conscience says its Right?! my first post was a throw away comment. I dont think i have the right to kill anyone. I also dont think the government has any right to decide that either. So blows the whole "Should we bring back Capital Punishment" arguement outta the water then doesnt it?
We are all entitled to our beliefs but just because we believe something wholeheartedly doesnt make it true!

[Largest of Gregs]

Originally Posted by Hugoshavez

bawbag.


It's better for ten guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be executed. Shove capital punishment, and corporal punishment for that matter, up yer arse.

excuse me? I linked to the debates forum, not agree to another mass genocide.

knob

[undecided cat]

Originally Posted by Largest of Gregs

excuse me? I linked to the debates forum, not agree to another mass genocide.

knob

C'mon lads nay fisty cuffs on my forum ta!!

I take the earlier point that isn't executing someone for a crime such as say, murder letting them off easy?!?! There is a moral contradiction to state execution - the US government doesn't condone its citizens to kill each other yet they themselves execute people and also commit mass genocide in other countries themselves......confusing messages perhaps?