Zenit St. Petersburg Vs Rangers (UEFA Cup Final) - Page 29

AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS · 15th May 2008, 8:48pm

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Originally Posted by Wreakin_Havok

As soon as i saw them standing there sticks raised i felt threatened and like things were about to get dangerous.

Time for a quick photo though of course before I ran away

and this illustrates what I'm saying to a tee mate;

You had the sense to get the fuck away when you felt threatened - that's what the riot police are trained to do, be threatening, let people know they are going to take no shit, and thus make the crowd calm down & disperse (for fear of being severely handled).
Unfortunatly, with a combination of drink, and a sense of victimisation, people have started to try and "talk" to police in full riot regalia - straight up one of the stupidest things you can do.
Anyone with half a brain knows they are trained to do one thing - get in aboot it.

I sympathise though, as all it would of took was 4 or 5 crazy horses,up for a ruck & chucking shit/abusing the police to convince the rest of the crowd to join in.

You find alot of "plastic hardmen" when you are in a crowd - as illustrated when you see boys aiming blows to the back of the policeman then bolting as soon as he has swun his punch...only to come back again when the officer is on the deck.

Draven · 15th May 2008, 8:49pm

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Originally Posted by Wreakin_Havok

They brought in the riot cops i feel because they THOUGHT trouble MIGHT start.

Then they were proved right. I do understand what you mean by the sight of the riot squad provoking people, but the fact remains that there were a significant number of rowdy people getting out of hand and fighting, so the squad was called in.

BTW awesome photo of the rioty.

Woolies · 15th May 2008, 8:49pm

Policing tactics, telly problems, non-fans stirring trouble, blah blah blah.
All of that stuff is pretty much blinkered, the real problem is that the UK (especially Scotland, especially Glasgow) has an alcohol problem.

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Originally Posted by I'm Your God Now

One thing I really didn't like was how many people were obviously just there to get bevvied up.

If folk had been relatively sober then there's no way that number of others would have got away with trashing stuff or beating on the Bobbies.

The outcome of the day should have been seriously pissed off and frustrated fans, it's the alcohol and societies continuing tacit acceptance of drunken thuggery that escalated it to violence.

AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS · 15th May 2008, 8:53pm

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Originally Posted by Wreakin_Havok

There really was no trouble before they showed up.. when everyone realised there was no chance the game wasnt coming on this screen everyone just wanted to get to a screen as soon as.

They brought in the riot cops i feel because they THOUGHT trouble MIGHT start.

Fair enough mate, although I don't completely agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Woolies

The outcome of the day should have been seriously pissed off and frustrated fans, it's the alcohol and societies continuing tacit acceptance of drunken thuggery that escalated it to violence.

Judging by the severity of the policing involved, I'd say 'society' definately doesn't accept it.

Yorgo · 15th May 2008, 10:09pm

It wasn't as bad as everyone is making out.

I was there from 1pm, majority of the time in Picadilly, until after midnight.

There was a few bad apples, most of whom had ENGLAND tattoo's I might add, clearly chelski fans, but most of the real fans were in great form, 40 arrests from 200,000 PISHED the whole day isn't too bad.

I had a great time and happy that we had the experience even if we lost, it's not gonna happena again for a lot of years.

Zenit deserved it, good luck to them, they were a class act.

AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS · 15th May 2008, 10:15pm

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Originally Posted by Yorgo

It wasn't as bad as everyone is making out.

I was there from 1pm, majority of the time in Picadilly, until after midnight.

There was a few bad apples, most of whom had ENGLAND tattoo's I might add, clearly chelski fans, but most of the real fans were in great form, 40 arrests from 200,000 PISHED the whole day isn't too bad.

Aye mate, thousands of Chelsea hooligans.

I give up, it just gets funnier!

**It's 50 arrests (and set to rise once CCTV is anaylised), from between 100,000 and 200,000 by the way.

Foxglove · 15th May 2008, 10:26pm

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Originally Posted by Yorgo

It wasn't as bad as everyone is making out.

I was there from 1pm, majority of the time in Picadilly, until after midnight.

There was a few bad apples, most of whom had ENGLAND tattoo's I might add, clearly chelski fans, but most of the real fans were in great form, 40 arrests from 200,000 PISHED the whole day isn't too bad.

I had a great time and happy that we had the experience even if we lost, it's not gonna happena again for a lot of years.

Zenit deserved it, good luck to them, they were a class act.

Why clearly Chelsea fans? I am confused by this comment.

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Originally Posted by Woolies

Policing tactics, telly problems, non-fans stirring trouble, blah blah blah.
All of that stuff is pretty much blinkered, the real problem is that the UK (especially Scotland, especially Glasgow) has an alcohol problem.

I can't comment as to whether it is a particularly Glasgow problem as I don't live there but I was embarrassed at the number of Rangers fans interviewed live on Five Live before 7am who were talking about how they were drunk already and planned to drink until kick off or had a Tennants for breakfast ("a Scottish breakfast"). The drinking culture we have is unpleasant.

AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS · 15th May 2008, 10:34pm

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Originally Posted by Foxglove

Why clearly Chelsea fans? I am confused by this comment.
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It's called 'deflecting the blame/attention', Holly.

endless psych · 15th May 2008, 10:38pm

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Originally Posted by Foxglove

Why clearly Chelsea fans? I am confused by this comment

Chealsea, Linfield and Rangers have links going back to the eighties - something to do with some fanzine/magazine or other and some friendly games apparently.

Although I always thought it was to do with the related hooligan firms of each team.

Foxglove · 15th May 2008, 10:42pm

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Originally Posted by endless psych

Chealsea, Linfield and Rangers have links going back to the eighties - something to do with some fanzine/magazine or other and some friendly games apparently.

Although I always thought it was to do with the related hooligan firms of each team.

Oh I know that. What confused me was why they were "clearly" Chelsea fans. Just trying to understand what made them clearly so.

endless psych · 15th May 2008, 10:46pm

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Originally Posted by Foxglove

Oh I know that. What confused me was why they were "clearly" Chelsea fans. Just trying to understand what made them clearly so.

Well I've known times when members of the English firm "affiliated" (Tottehham I think

) to Aberdeen have turned up to start a ruck (with Aberdeens own twats in tow) at various SPL games. (Or more correctly at locations closeish but not quite to Pittodrie)

Its not too big a stretch to assume hooligan groups got themselves organised met up with their Gers counterparts and started causing shit. That and its Manchester and the opportunity to raise merry hell in the city (although not really) the team is in from might be too good an opportunity to pass up.

AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS · 15th May 2008, 10:46pm

"CHELSKI" tattoos apparently.

MarkMono · 15th May 2008, 10:48pm

Q: Is alcohol more or less to blame for this incident than football?

A: Who cares, its completely irrelevant.

mishelle · 15th May 2008, 11:52pm

All I remain to say on the matter is: smashin photo

Syxx · 16th May 2008, 4:06am

Listen to Awesomeus giving it the usual exaggeration.

Total amount of cunts, utter cunts that were causing shite, 300. If yer fucking lucky. Less than 0.0015-0.003%, using Awesomeus logic.

Don't get me wrong, i'm totally embarassed for all that happened, but as the scenes that myself and a few thousand others that were a) at Albert Square for the game, b) in the Train Station in the early hours, and, oh, c) everyone else who happened to be in Manchester during Thursday afternoon at all, it wasn't even fucking close to as bad as the media/maximus etc are making out.