Why is it?

[MarkMono]

Wasn't that exactly how he said the American media portrayed the affair in the post you quoted?

Yes, yes it was. Should've left it after this:

Originally Posted by djtoast

and just shut up, there's way more violence in soccer than in American sports, there just is. *raspberry*

It was your strongest, and the only still currently valid, point.

[Foxglove]

I can't speak for Glasgow but I do know a lot of the so-called organised fights that revolve around football in England are nothing to do with games. The fights are planned and arranged quite some distance from grounds and involve people who do not plan to attend matches. To my mind, football is not the reason for the violence but the excuse for groups of males to come together to fight. Whether this is part of the pyche of some groups of men who feel the need to fight but cannot do so without giving themselves some justification I don't know. I also wonder if this is actually true of the Old Firm. Do the small minority of fans of the OF clubs who get involved in fighting do it due to football and their team or for other reasons such as over religion, where people live or some other reason which perhaps seems less palitable to them. Do these small groups feel that using football as an excuse for violence is justifiable where using purely religion or another reason is not "acceptable" to society or themselves.

I have always thought that people who are not football fans use football as a place to sweep aside some problems in our society. It is a pretty convenient box to use no? If you accept it is not actually a football problem you have to start to consider what the actual problem is and maybe that is.

[MarkMono]

If you're not involved with spending half your childhood getting attacked by people in football strips you won't understand. After the hundredth time it happens its extremely hard not to think: Here guys, see your little game of kickabout, its not worth any of this shit.

Even if you're just taking away their excuse.

[Baron Samedi]

Here's another clip of that "happy, carnival affair".

YouTube - Boston Red Sox Fans Riot 2007 World...

It doesn't show the most serious incidents as it seems to be one person's footage of what they saw where they were but it's a bit more representative of the evening's events than banana guy.

[Foxglove]

So Mark, if all the people wore Noddy outfits who did this to you, then you would hate cartoons? Just because they wear a particular top does not mean that football is at fault for the violence you sadly were a vicitim of.

Oh - and a thought about the passion too. People take recreational drugs to give them certain emotions. The highs and lows of watching football cause the body to release chemicals that create the elation or upset that fans feel.

[Ghostsuit]

Considering this started as a one line flamesk rant, it's turned into a decent thread. I've enjoyed reading most of the point and there seems to be load of them.

[MarkMono]

Originally Posted by Foxglove

So Mark, if all the people wore Noddy outfits who did this to you, then you would hate cartoons? Just because they wear a particular top does not mean that football is at fault for the violence you sadly were a vicitim of.

Given that we're talking about large tracts of my life then yes, I can honestly say that I would be prejudiced against Noddy. I'd also be very hard pushed to call it an irrational bias.

Probably against other cartoons to a lesser extent too, but mainly Rangers/Celtic.

Oh, sorry, I mean Noddy/Big Ears

Originally Posted by Foxglove

Oh - and a thought about the passion too. People take recreational drugs to give them certain emotions. The highs and lows of watching football cause the body to release chemicals that create the elation or upset that fans feel.

People take recreational drugs to enhance the experiences they are actually having.

Smackheads take drugs to give them emotions.

[djtoast]

Originally Posted by Baron Samedi

it's a bit more representative of the evening's events than banana guy.

well, here's the problem: neither of us were there, who do we believe?

okay, obviously i don't believe it was a church picnic, but saying that the american media, deliberately or not, suppress the truth about the seriousness of the problem - and often, reaching back to the 70s and 80s for examples of how bad the problem is - doens't quite paint a fair portrait either.

last time i was in new york there was a very high-profile yankees / red sox game during my stay. now, fans of these teams really do not like each other. this game was especially charged because the red sox pitcher was pitching to beat some all-time record or other, i forget which. anyway, it was a BIG game. the game fell on the memorial day holiday weekend, and so there were huge numbers of travelling fans, and naturally there was a lot of drinking going on. yet there wasn't a whisper of trouble, never any suggestion that there might be, not a hint of the kind of stuff i see week in week out during the football season here let alone when an old firm match comes along.

it would be ridiculous to base an impression of all american sports on that one day, but i think it illustrates that in american sports, violence might happen but equally it might not, it's not inseperable from the games the way, in my view, it seems to be here - an impression i formed pretty rapidly after moving to glasgow (for example, just after i moved here the papers were full of stories about a celtic boy who'd been stabbed by rangers fans on a match day after refusing to hand over a bag of chips).

[MarkMono]

So this is purely about your perception of Glasgow. I wondered where you could be going with this.

Historically, the states have much worse football riots than we do, especially Dallas which, as previously mentioned, is notorious for it. As messy as Manchester looked on the news I didn't see any overturned cars.

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

Jesus, mother mary and Joseph.

If I could delete the internet...

[MarkMono]

...you'd actually leave this thread when you said you would?


If its not interesting to you, stroll on.

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by MarkMono

So this is purely about your perception of Glasgow. I wondered where you could be going with this.

Hisotrically, the states have much worse football riots than we do, especially Dallas which, as previously mentioned, is notorious for it. As messy as Manchester looked on the news I didn't see any overturned cars.

I posted a video of a car being given a seeing too already in the Zenit thread.
Click the links.

Learn.

[MarkMono]

Leave.

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

Bias against Noddy & Not irrational bias.
Same sentence.

Cut the shit & catch a grip mark.

[MarkMono]

Sorry, not sure what you mean.

The ridiculous comparison is down to Holly I'm afraid.