Why is it?

[Jenpot]

I thought he meant sad as in it's a shame. Like, if you think you can't beat football for passion you really need to like, y'know, fall in love or something.

Just my interpretation mind.

[Largest of Als]

No, I understand that football means something to people.

My comment was based on what I read into the comment about passion.

You really cannot beat football in the passion stakes.
I've never known anything like it

If you're saying that you've never had a higher high, or a lower low, than watching a game of football has given you.. then I think thats really sad..


Al

[Foxglove]

Originally Posted by Jenpot

I thought he meant sad as in it's a shame. Like, if you think you can't beat football for passion you really need to like, y'know, fall in love or something.

Just my interpretation mind.

Regardless such a comment is pretty dismissive.

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by Jenpot

I thought he meant sad as in it's a shame. Like, if you think you can't beat football for passion you really need to like, y'know, fall in love or something.

Just my interpretation mind.

The same interpretation that can't disdinguish between 2 different types of passion.
Earth calling Jenpot; I don't plan on attempting to stick my lovestick through the airhole of a football.

[Kenny Everett]

Hypothetically, what would consider a more acceptable high than hugging your mates as a last gasp goal wins you the game?

Just playing devil's advocate here

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by Largest of Als

If you're saying that you've never had a higher high, or a lower low, than watching a game of football has given you.. then I think thats really sad..

Assuming that your implying such a thing implies your somehow experiencing less of life by being so involved in football. Which isn't really the case its a different kind of passion a different kind of high and low from "real life" (for want of a better word).

[Rosco]

Jesus, this thread is shite. Basically people who don't understand football pointing out that they don't understand football, IN THE FOOTBALL FORUM.

[Watty]

Originally Posted by Rosco

Jesus, this thread is shite. Basically people who don't understand football pointing out that they don't understand football, IN THE FOOTBALL FORUM.

Aye that's what it boils down to.

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by Largest of Als

If you're saying that you've never had a higher high, or a lower low, than watching a game of football has given you.. then I think thats really sad..


Al

Who said anything about "higher high's" or "lower low's"?
I was more relating "passion stakes" to sports or hobbies (since, you know, cricket is being compared to football earlier in the thread).

..and who are you to say it's sad if a person hasn't experianced a "lower low" than a crushing last minute defeat to a fierce rival or a "higher high" than winning a trophy?
Everyones different, and someones team winning the league or a match could release the same amount of endorphyns into someones body as Skydiving would for another person.
Doesn't mean they aren't "living life", or are "sad" - it just means they get a greater satisfaction out of sharing a special moment with 60,000 friends and a team they love so much than something a "normal" person would get a huge kick out of.

If you can relate to it a bit more;

I love football, like you love pies, not showering for weeks, and telling those "KAAAAAR-AYYYYY-ZEEEE" tour stories.



If you can relate to it a bit more;
I love football, like you love pies, not showering, and telling those "KAAAAAR-AYYYYY-ZEEEE" tour stories.

Football.
Those that understand, need no explanation.
Those that don't, don't need to know.
etc.

[Jenpot]

Originally Posted by AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS

The same interpretation that can't disdinguish between 2 different types of passion.
Earth calling Jenpot; I don't plan on attempting to stick my lovestick through the airhole of a football.

Passion is passion. Sorry, but I don't see two different kinds. I see something you feel strongly about, something which makes you experience extreme highs and lows. There ISN'T two kinds of passion. Fair enough you can obviously experience it about different things.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong about feeling passionate about football, I didn't even make the original comment. I just think to say that not many things beat it passionwise, is a bit of a shame. If that's the thing you're most passionate about, and you're happy with that, what does my opinion matter.

This thread was originally about football fans acting like children, no? Any chance of directing it back to that rather than why football is good and why it isn't?

Originally Posted by Kenny Everett

Hypothetically, what would consider a more acceptable high than hugging your mates as a last gasp goal wins you the game?

Just playing devil's advocate here

There's no such thing as an acceptable high*






*Only an illegal one

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by Jenpot

Passion is passion. Sorry, but I don't see two different kinds. I see something you feel strongly about, something which makes you experience extreme highs and lows. There ISN'T two kinds of passion. Fair enough you can obviously experience it about different things.

Passion is not an empirical fact. Its an emotion it means whatever anyone at any given time, social epoch or whatever chooses it to mean. (Passion as related to notions of romantic love is a relatively modern idea - as is romantic love itself - emotions come and go with fashion.)

The passion of the Christ is different from the passion of the Magdalene and the passion of the tartan army.

[Jenpot]

Originally Posted by endless psych

Passion is not an empirical fact. Its an emotion it means whatever anyone at any given time, social epoch or whatever chooses it to mean.
(Passion as related to notions of romantic love is a relatively modern idea - as is romantic love itself - emotions come and go with fashion.)
The passion of the Christ is different from the passion of the Magdalene and the passion of the tartan army.

The dictionary has about 10 different definitions, all of which fit loosely under the first one: "any powerful or compelling emotion or feeling, i.e. hate or love".

That, to me, is what passion is, in most senses.

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by Jenpot

The dictionary has about 10 different definitions, all of which fit loosely under the first one: "any powerful or compelling emotion or feeling, i.e. hate or love".

That, to me, is what passion is, in most senses.

Aye but what I am saying is that these aren't immutable facts they mean whatever folks want them to mean at a certain time (or more correctly what the acceptable social meaning is at a certain time.).

I won't start dissecting emotion or love and hate for fear of everyone dying of boredom

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by Jenpot

Passion is passion. Sorry, but I don't see two different kinds. I see something you feel strongly about, something which makes you experience extreme highs and lows. There ISN'T two kinds of passion. Fair enough you can obviously experience it about different things.

So why can't I have a passion for more than one thing?
Why can't I love alot of things, immensely?

I'm not saying there's anything wrong about feeling passionate about football, I didn't even make the original comment. I just think to say that not many things beat it passionwise, is a bit of a shame.

You aren't saying theres "anything wrong with it"...but it's a shame?
Logic.

It's not a shame, and It's hillarious that someone posting on website called "alternative nation" can't accept that other people are more passionate about things other than the normal.

What's wrong with being madly passionate about football if it happens to be the thing they look forward to most?
If they find it to be the most exciting thing to do at this point in their lives?
If following their team is their favourite thing to do?
What is wrong with that?

Most folk live for boozing at the weekends, yet, living for football at the weekends is sad.

Originally Posted by Jenpot

There's no such thing as an acceptable high*






*Only an illegal one

and this wee "joke", illustrates my point.
Drugs - an acceptable high in Scottish society.
Football - a shame if you love it that much you get a huge buzz out of it.

If that's the thing you're most passionate about, and you're happy with that, what does my opinion matter.

It seriously doesn't matter, well to me at least.
It might irk other people, I'm just trying to let you understand but the bottomline is, as Rosco has insinuated, you won't, unless you are involved.
Which you clearly aren't, so hereth endth the confusion.

This thread was originally about football fans acting like children, no? Any chance of directing it back to that rather than why football is good and why it isn't?

If yer not involved in football or it's passion, you wont understand.

[Largest of Als]

Originally Posted by AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS

..and who are you to say it's sad if a person hasn't experianced a "lower low" than a crushing last minute defeat to a fierce rival or a "higher high" than winning a trophy?
Everyones different

I am me, thats why I was expressing my opinion.. see the bit where I said I thought it was sad..?

As you said, everyones different..

If you can relate to it a bit more;

I love football, like you love pies, not showering for weeks, and telling those "KAAAAAR-AYYYYY-ZEEEE" tour stories.



If you can relate to it a bit more;
I love football, like you love pies, not showering, and telling those "KAAAAAR-AYYYYY-ZEEEE" tour stories.

The point you're trying to make wasn't important enough to need to try it twice..

And just so you know.. I'm not that fond of pies, I rather look forward to having a shower ever morning, and yes, some tour stories are 'KAAAAAR-AYYYYY-ZEEE'.. thats why people ask to hear them..


Al