Hibernian - Con-artists?

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by psycho

Brown i dont think is worth 4.4 mil

Thomson - 2 mil was a steal for us and i think we ended up with the better midfilder and he was playing well untill his injury and it hurt us when we lost him

If a diving, cheating, unsportsman like, injury prone player with a decent half a season under his belt is a steal for £2million pound then tickle my arse.

Originally Posted by chris420uk

Rod Petrie is a smart businessman and his transfer dealings have been fantastic.
He's done the club a great service so far... building for the future.

Youth development and moving towards debt-free.

He's an arsehole.

Listen mate, I'm a football fan, not a Hibs shareholder.
I couldn't give a fuck about dough, but I can 100% sympathise with how Hibs fans must feel sometimes.

There are con-artists and money grabbers at every club, I don't expect any less in the capitalist driven modern game...just thought I'd post up about it to promote a bit of discussion, and the fact that Rod Petrie seems massively astute at keeping dough got from overly inflated player prices.

[Westy]

A bit of ambition wouldn't go a miss from them.

This lack of ambition is what is the worst thing about the SPL.

Sometimes you need to spend to accumalate. But everybody seems happy at playing it safe and just surving. I get the business side of it but it cannae be good for the Hibs fans if they are not reaping the rewards of this youth system as the only people reaping the rewards from this youth system are the shareholders and board.

It'd be interesting to see Hibs income and expenditure.

[Jaemi]

I seriously doubt if Petrie and the jobs board are "sitting on a beach, earning twenty percent" from hibs.

[chris420uk]

I'm a football fan... and I believe on putting on a show for the fans...
but NOT at the expense of the football club.

Football clubs whether you like it or not (and believe me, I don't) have become businesses.
They revolve around money and is becoming progressively worse.

Clubs who have become more prosperous over the past few years (EPL clubs) are flaunting their finances and credit. Clubs who have become less prosperous are trying to stabilize their finances (SPL clubs).

I 100% sympathise with how Hibs fans and many other SPL fans feel at the moment with the lack of spending and ambition. But you have to be realistic. The SPL's in a bad state right now. There's been years of administrations and now Setanta are floundering too.

Now's not the time to splash millions. Now's the time to be patient and wait for the markets to recover and TV/advertising contracts to be secured for as long as possible.

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by chris420uk

I'm a football fan... and I believe on putting on a show for the fans...
but NOT at the expense of the football club.

Football clubs whether you like it or not (and believe me, I don't) have become businesses.
They revolve around money and is becoming progressively worse.

Clubs who have become more prosperous over the past few years (EPL clubs) are flaunting their finances and credit. Clubs who have become less prosperous are trying to stabilize their finances (SPL clubs).

Er, have I missed something here?
You speak like I don't already know this.

Not an excuse for giving them a pat on the back and saying "job well done" or not criticizing them.
What's your point?

I 100% sympathise with how Hibs fans and many other SPL fans feel at the moment with the lack of spending and ambition. But you have to be realistic. The SPL's in a bad state right now. There's been years of administrations and now Setanta are floundering too.

All these transfers in this particular case were more than a year ago.
Realistic is exactly what I am. I just don't accept and agree with things because "thats the way they are" like yourself mate.

Now's not the time to splash millions. Now's the time to be patient and wait for the markets to recover and TV/advertising contracts to be secured for as long as possible.

Fucksake, are you on the Hibs/celtic board?

There is also nae denying Pinocchio McNaelegs is a big lieing bell-end, but he cannot be laughed at where investing in the team is concerned, as Westy says.

This is one of the worst, infact, THEE worst hun's team I have witnessed in all my years on this earth, that are in the worst finacial position they've ever been in since I've been alive, and yet they still, barring the odd year, outspend Celtic in the transfer market.
He can't be accused of that much.

[chris420uk]

OK, I know I'm coming across as a corporate stooge here...
that's not the case... I've just accepted the state of affairs.

I'm moving with the times rather than bashing my head against a brick wall wishing the "old days" were back... when it was all about the fans and football. They're gone for good.

Therefore I APPLAUD Chairmen like Petrie who squeeze as much money out of the bigger clubs for his players. He's taking advantage of the market for the good of his own business/team.

Yes, this is perhaps the worst Rangers team in a long time (if not, period). Celtic have a stronger team and should've won comfortably last season. They shouldn't have needed to plough millions into new players to win the league. Unfortunately, a few players under-performed and cost us dearly.

lol @ Pinocchio McNaelegs

[XMachina]

Originally Posted by chris420uk

Now's not the time to splash millions. Now's the time to be patient and wait for the markets to recover and TV/advertising contracts to be secured for as long as possible.

If you have the money in the bank then it is. When your rivals are shitting themselves about setanta going out of business being the difference meaning administration or worse go out and spend when they're not doing so. As there are less buyers you get more bang for your buck.


As for Hibs I feel they should be given 2 or 3 more years to see if their youth academy was worth building at the expense of the first team.

For all this talk about this being Rangers worst team in years, see Alex McLeish's team that finished in 3rd place for that distinction.

[chris420uk]

Furthermore, let's look at the last few Scottish clubs who have been "ambitious"...

Raith Rovers (Anelka).
Gretna FC (Mileson).
Rangers (Murray).

I'm sure people can add to that list. Ambition in the SPL is a poison chalice.
Fair enough, Rangers may have won the league... but that wasn't thanks to Murray.

All of the above clubs are in financial problems with dark clouds over their futures. I'm satisfied my club is in a solid, stable position (Celtic). Because in the long-run that's when it'll count.

I'm also a Leeds United fan... so I know ALL about "ambition" my friends...

[XMachina]

I used to think like that but you can hardly parade the fucking balance sheet round at the end of the season. If the aim was to maintain a profit margin then the Stock Market rather than the SPL might be more your thing.

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by XMachina

For all this talk about this being Rangers worst team in years, see Alex McLeish's team that finished in 3rd place for that distinction.

That's if you judge it purely on achievements, and not in footballing terms, but I guess everyone has a different gauge.

The Rangers side just now are poor poor poor.

Originally Posted by chris420uk

OK, I know I'm coming across as a corporate stooge here...
that's not the case... I've just accepted the state of affairs.

I'm moving with the times rather than bashing my head against a brick wall wishing the "old days" were back... when it was all about the fans and football. They're gone for good.

Can't beat them, Join them.
Completely defeatist attitude, but if that's your bag then go for it.

Certainly not mine.

Therefore I APPLAUD Chairmen like Petrie who squeeze as much money out of the bigger clubs for his players. He's taking advantage of the market for the good of his own business/team.

It's for the good of him, and the CLUB, not the team, as it's simply not being reinvested. They're a worse team without those players.

Yes, this is perhaps the worst Rangers team in a long time (if not, period). Celtic have a stronger team and should've won comfortably last season. They shouldn't have needed to plough millions into new players to win the league. Unfortunately, a few players under-performed and cost us dearly.

We can disagree again. Celtic are a better side, IMO, but, problems were there for all to see for a few seasons prior to last year - the writting was on the wall unless we heavily invested in certain areas, we got lucky 2 out of the 3 years Strap-on won the league, IMO.
Celtic yet again chose not to strengthen heavily and invest in "squad" players.
A complete fail, IMO.

Also, lack of ambition is a 2 way street.
Your team gets worse, you slip further down a medicore league, pockets get lined, fans get fucked off and don't renew their season tickets, then you lose £ if you take the piss with it.

These folk rely on the knucklehead fans that will renew no matter what to keep them afloat and they pray on that, but in times of increased financial diffculty, turgid footballl, and blatant penny pinching, you are going to see a decline in numbers. If yo uthought attendences were shit at Celtic Park last year, then wait till this year...

[Young Blood]

if ronaldo's worth 80mil then brown's def worth 4.4

[Jaemi]

If Ronaldo's worth 80Million.
How can Newcastle only be worth 100?

[XMachina]

Originally Posted by AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS

It's for the good of him, and the CLUB, not the team, as it's simply not being reinvested. They're a worse team without those players.

Nobody is disputing the second point but building and staffing an academy plus some imminent stadium redevelopment suggests he is reinvesting. Perhaps it's taking too much emphasis on the long term at the expense of the present but the money is going back to Hibs.

[chris420uk]

It's not a defeatist attitude... it's realistic. If teams like Hamilton and formerly ICT/Falkirk can achieve and challenge for top 6 status in the SPL on limited funds then SURELY Hibs can.

And with John Hughes as Manager I think the club will be in good hands to challenge for 3rd place.

I would blame Strachan and not the Celtic board for not investing money on problem positions (left-back for example) but that was his decision.

In terms of Scottish Football... it's never gonna be attractive unless football training on a grass roots level is revolutionized. We need to take examples from countries such as the Dutch.

[Young Blood]

Originally Posted by Jaemi

If Ronaldo's worth 80Million.
How can Newcastle only be worth 100?

seen the way they play?

also debt levels and poisoned chalice i guess...

also demand - he's desperate to get rid but man u wanted to keep...

that's capitalism for ye