Hibernian - Con-artists?

AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS · 18th June 2009, 11:32am

I was thinking earlier, is Rod Petrie the greatest Walter Mitty of all time in the footballing world?

Think of all the money this club have gained from transfers over the last 4/5 years.
Have any of them lived up to the hype and fee's this cunt has commanded?
Don't forget, he hasn't spent a fucking penny of it.

Westy · 18th June 2009, 12:06pm

Thomson at £2m was great I thought. Before he got injuried he was playing amazing. Hopefully we'll see the same from him from September onwards.

Whittiker...hmm can't remember how much we paid for him but he has been decent.

Ian Murray - did a job but was shite and injury prone.

Brown I think was a bit costly but got POTY last year. Played well most the season. Don't think he's worth £4.4m. But then again I don't think Glen Johnson is worth near £20m.

Brown (4.4m), Thomson(2m), Whittiker(i'd guess 1m), Murray (same as Whittiker)

£8/9m from those 4? Its a hefty wee sum. Is there any more?

Caldwell, Killen, Riorden. How much did those three cost Celtic?

In that case it'll be well into a double figure in the millions.

XMachina · 18th June 2009, 12:09pm

What exactly do you mean by a Walter Mitty?

The big sales have been as far as I can remember have been Brown (£4.3m and decent value), Thomson (£2m - steal ), Whittaker (£2m, robbery ), O'Connor (£1.6m about right ), Sproule (£500k fair) and Murphy (~£1.2m going rate) and Riordan for a few hundred grand. That's not much over £11m over 3 or 4 seasons, good income for an SPL side but not enough to break through to the proverbial next level.

Don't forget they've built a training facility, upped their annual salary and they have also reined in their their debt so while they haven't been paying out anything like what they brought in in transfer fees (except for Riordan) it's a bit unfair to say not a penny has been spent.

ps Caldwell and Killen were Bosmans.

AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS · 18th June 2009, 12:48pm

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Originally Posted by Westy

Thomson at £2m was great I thought. Before he got injuried he was playing amazing. Hopefully we'll see the same from him from September onwards.

Whittiker...hmm can't remember how much we paid for him but he has been decent.

Ian Murray - did a job but was shite and injury prone.

Brown I think was a bit costly but got POTY last year. Played well most the season. Don't think he's worth £4.4m. But then again I don't think Glen Johnson is worth near £20m.

Brown (4.4m), Thomson(2m), Whittiker(i'd guess 1m), Murray (same as Whittiker)

£8/9m from those 4? Its a hefty wee sum. Is there any more?

Caldwell, Killen, Riorden. How much did those three cost Celtic?

In that case it'll be well into a double figure in the millions.

Whittaker was a couple of million, I think.
It's happening with Fletcher aswell being touted for 4 & 5 million.
Its laughable.

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Originally Posted by XMachina

What exactly do you mean by a Walter Mitty?

The big sales have been as far as I can remember have been Brown (£4.3m and decent value), Thomson (£2m - steal ), Whittaker (£2m, robbery ), O'Connor (£1.6m about right ), Sproule (£500k fair) and Murphy (~£1.2m going rate) and Riordan for a few hundred grand. That's not much over £11m over 3 or 4 seasons, good income for an SPL side but not enough to break through to the proverbial next level.

Don't forget they've built a training facility, upped their annual salary and they have also reined in their their debt so while they haven't been paying out anything like what they brought in in transfer fees (except for Riordan) it's a bit unfair to say not a penny has been spent.

ps Caldwell and Killen were Bosmans.

I mean Rod Petrie is a fantasist.
Making up these huge huge sums of money that his players are worth, starting a media shit storm about it (Real Madrid in for Fletcher?

) to push the prices up.

He seems to have done it more than most.

Brown - not a 4.4million pound player...maybe in time, who knows.
Murphy - 1.2/5 million - one of the worst players at St Andrews.
Riordan - 1 million - worth about 2 bob.
Whittaker - couple of million, he is a dogs dinner.
Thomson - 2 million, best value out of the lot, but still not worth 2m, IMO.
O'Connor - nearly 2 million, Donkey. Went AWOL and couldn't score in a barrel of fannies. Worthless.

Now it's Fletcher - 4/5 million - lol.

The guys a fleecing bastard. Not one player has lived up to their price tag as yet IMO. That includes Thomson.

Jaemi · 18th June 2009, 12:58pm

It was Real Madrid that started the Fletcher thing.
At the start of the season they produced a list of the top 50 or 100 young players that they consider worth watching. And Fletcher was on that list.

Petrie can ask any sum of money he wants for his players. At the end of the day something is only worth as much as someone will pay for it. He might've got 4.5 for Brown but he got Fuckall for Caldwell.

I also can't see anyone paying 4Million for Steven Fletcher. IF he goes, it'll be closer to 2/3 than 4/5.

psycho · 18th June 2009, 1:08pm

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Originally Posted by AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS

Brown - not a 4.4million pound player...maybe in time, who knows.

Thomson - 2 million, best value out of the lot, but still not worth 2m, IMO.

Brown i dont think is worth 4.4 mil

Thomson - 2 mil was a steal for us and i think we ended up with the better midfilder and he was playing well untill his injury and it hurt us when we lost him

Westy · 18th June 2009, 1:08pm

Aye checked Whittiker - £2m. Way over the odds. I'd have said £1m for him would have been decent. £2m nae chance. No more than decent apart from his goal against Sporting Lisbon.

Ian Murray was a bosman. Than fuck we didn't pay money for that cunt.

Was Riorden not like £170k?

Jaemi · 18th June 2009, 1:11pm

Hibs wouldn't have gotten the full whack for Riordan anyway.
he hardly featured and then they got him back.

Westy · 18th June 2009, 1:16pm

I went and checked whats the most money they have splashed on one player.

Ulises Hernán de la Cruz Bernoid - £700,000 in 2001.

Who?

But aye the Hibs shareholders will be happy with the money coming in and it not really going out.

Jaemi · 18th June 2009, 1:20pm

Incidently a certain D.Murray is the biggest fantasist in the HISTORY of scottish football chairmen.

chris420uk · 18th June 2009, 1:21pm

Rod Petrie is a smart businessman and his transfer dealings have been fantastic.
He's done the club a great service so far... building for the future.

Youth development and moving towards debt-free.

Jaemi · 18th June 2009, 1:24pm

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Originally Posted by Westy

I went and checked whats the most money they have splashed on one player.

Ulises Hernán de la Cruz Bernoid - £700,000 in 2001.

Who?

But aye the Hibs shareholders will be happy with the money coming in and it not really going out.

Ulises de la Cruz.
No a huge name, but not an entire unknown either.

But they've no really needed to buy.

Westy · 18th June 2009, 1:28pm

They just finished 6th in the league for the 2nd time in a row. A few years ago they were in the top 4. "Building for the future"

Great business (for him aye) but they are a selling club who will always sell their best players. Not so good for the fans, especially when the money they recieve isn't invested in players of the same quality. "Building for the future"

They will be lucky if they win a wee League Cup every 10 years. They won it in 2007 so....2017? "Building for the future"

And Sir David Murray has done all he has with Rangers. Cannae take us any further. He's been an excellent chairman for us, overall. He's splashed the cash and got us success. Sure its cost us in recent seasons. But the main thing is, in his time as Chairman, there has been more high points than low points.

Jaemi · 18th June 2009, 1:32pm

I dont really know what you expect from hibs.
They'll never win the league.
The money he got for players was used to keep them from ending up like Kilmarnock. Aka, skint.

He's given them a training facility and serviced most of their debt. So aye, he's secured the future for the club. You can bet in 10-20 years hibs will still be there. The same can't be said for Kilmarnock, ICT, Motherwell and countless other clubs down the league.

chris420uk · 18th June 2009, 1:33pm

Well said Jaemi. Finally, another Scottish football realist.

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Originally Posted by Westy

They just finished 6th in the league for the 2nd time in a row. A few years ago they were in the top 4. "Building for the future"

Great business (for him aye) but they are a selling club who will always sell their best players. Not so good for the fans, especially when the money they recieve isn't invested in players of the same quality. "Building for the future"

They will be lucky if they win a wee League Cup every 10 years. They won it in 2007 so....2017? "Building for the future"

They've finished 6th in the past 2 seasons because they've sold many players over them last 2/3 seasons. You don't seem to understand that these things take time... awaiting players coming through the youth ranks, etc. It's a by-product of eliminating debt.

In case you haven't realised... the majority of clubs in the SPL are selling clubs. That's what small teams have to do to survive. The fans would love for all the top players to stay and build a team worth challenging for more honours. It's just not financially feasible.

And the League Cup statement applies to every team out-with the Old Firm.

That's just Scottish Football for you...