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ChrisMiller · 27th August 2007, 6:12pm

For someone who uses logic, facts and figures, to support arguments, you don't seem to do much reading. If you'd taken that spare 5 minutes you skipped in the economics class to read the www.strathstudents.com website, you'll find information there that says anyone, non-students included, can buy and use a strathclyde freshers pass. Should you happen to not be a student, you can still use the card, but will have to be signed into the union by someone with a student card.

So, I'd like to reaffirm the statement I made earlier, which is that its conceiveable that Glasgow students with friends at Strathclyde, perhaps even those without, could buy a pass there, and not attend our freshers week, therefore making them a rival for the QM and the GU's business.

fuckin-yaldie · 27th August 2007, 7:09pm

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Originally Posted by erithromycin

Plastic glasses are a Freshers' Week cost because, if there weren't a Freshers' Week, there wouldn't be that cost. That's the way the QM budgets it, but it should be remembered that Glasgow City Council can (and have) put requirements for plastics into license extensions for bigger events. That's over and above the usual order for glasses and other supplies at the start of the academic year, which isn't a Freshers' Week cost. I do agree that they're mince, and the intermediate, reusable plastics are a nightmare.

Stop embarissing yourself now.

You can't use plastic cups as a contributing factor to not booking big acts.

Really, please...

ps. as no. of plastic glasses used goes up, profits from drinks go up. its a no-brainer

p.p.s. Chris, I sent you a PM

endless psych · 27th August 2007, 7:30pm

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Originally Posted by ChrisMiller

So, I'd like to reaffirm the statement I made earlier, which is that its conceiveable that Glasgow students with friends at Strathclyde, perhaps even those without, could buy a pass there, and not attend our freshers week, therefore making them a rival for the QM and the GU's business.

During Freshers week yes but I suspect the point is moot after said week as matriculated students of the University of Glasgow cannot join the Strathclyde Union yes? Regarding them being a rival for the QM's and GU's business during Freshers week - well yes perhaps if they have a bit act on and the Freshers can get in. But I really doubt many Freshers will have bothered to look at whats happening at Strathclydes Freshers week and will likely be under the assumption that they cannot gain access as its at another University... Unless Strathy has or intends to mount a highly costly marketing campaign informing freshers this is the case I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by fuckin-yaldie

Stop embarissing yourself now.

You can't use plastic cups as a contributing factor to not booking big acts.

Really, please...

ps. as no. of plastic glasses used goes up, profits from drinks go up. its a no-brainer

p.p.s. Chris, I sent you a PM

Well except for the fact you can't sell the alcohol unless the glasses are already bought. Ergo you have to already have the glasses before they can be used to generate surplus. Which would be a bigger disaster - running out of recepticles for drinks and closing the bar or not booking the next big thing?

fuckin-yaldie · 27th August 2007, 7:35pm

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Originally Posted by endless psych

Well except for the fact you can't sell the alcohol unless the glasses are already bought. Ergo you have to already have the glasses before they can be used to generate surplus. Which would be a bigger disaster - running out of recepticles for drinks and closing the bar or not booking the next big thing?

That was what it came down to then, was it?

You should put a poster up at the door saying "sorry freshers: nae bands here, we didn't want to run out of glasses".

And, by the way, you can get 2000 disposable glasses for under £100.

endless psych · 27th August 2007, 7:36pm

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Originally Posted by fuckin-yaldie

That was what it came down to then, was it?

You should put a poster up at the door saying "sorry freshers: nae bands here, we didn't want to run out of glasses".

I have no idea, I was just attempting to explain why logically the idea that glasses could be counted as a freshers week expense was not nonsensical. I doubt the above was an actual factor - directly anyway.

fuckin-yaldie · 27th August 2007, 7:43pm

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Originally Posted by endless psych

I have no idea, I was just attempting to explain why logically the idea that glasses could be counted as a freshers week expense was not nonsensical. I doubt the above was an actual factor - directly anyway.

Ok, well thanks for your words of wisdom.

ally.h · 27th August 2007, 8:01pm

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Originally Posted by mysteron

those who have, have to be open to the input of those who elected them.

And all of those are available at the end of email addresses provided on this page:

http://www.qmu.org.uk/about/board-of-management/

I would recommend president@qmu.org.uk

al.

fuckin-yaldie · 27th August 2007, 8:36pm

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Originally Posted by endless psych

(Personally as a Fresher I would be more likely to go and see GLC for free then Dizzie Rascal on the basis I might concievably pay to see D.R. at some point in the future but I would never pay to see GLC.)

Yeah or you could just see Dizzee for free and avoid paying in the future. That might a bit to logical though.

erithromycin · 27th August 2007, 8:43pm

Sorry, Chris, I didn't realise Strathclyde would be going that far - I saw this post on their forum, which is why I mentioned the things I did. As an aside, it's good to see that being a member of the NUS doesn't limit the beer (or cider) that Strathclyde can stock. Cough. Having looked at their shop, it does say non-Strathclyde students will have to be signed in, but it took a little digging to find this thread on their forum talking about signing in, and even then it leaves out the requirement for photographic ID. How much advertising have you seen for Strathclyde's Freshers' Week? Now, to be fair, about 40% of Glasgow's intake are from Glasgow, and I'd wager most of them have heard of Strathclyde, but as was pointed out, how many of them are going to try to go to Strathclyde, when they'll have received information about the Freshers' Pass for Glasgow in the post by now? They'll also need to be 18 by the end of September, which rules out a number of folk. I certainly wasn't alone in going to University before my eighteenth.

Yes, the QMU and GUU 'compete', but I don't think it can be reasonably be argued that Strathclyde does in this instance. More than that, though, while it does represent an equivalent cost (and possible a greater value, but that, I feel, is subjective), it will require that they know someone going to Strathclyde. Not impossible, no, but the opportunity cost of attending Strathclyde's Freshers' Week rather than Glasgow must obviously include the opportunity to befriend people that Freshers will be on campus with most of the time. The QM is competing against the GUU, but the combined entertainments of those two unions are competing against Strathclyde. None of those three line-ups appeal to me, but I will say that I'd rather attend the events at the QM before I went to see either Amy McDonald or Hypnodog. Though I must confess I'll be interested to see how many passes Strathclyde sell to non-Strathclyde students.

I don't think I've argued that plastic glasses are why the QMU doesn't have a big act. I said that they're one of the silly ancillary costs that eat up bits of the Freshers' Week budget which it would be nicer to use to book acts. I also know you can get thousands of them for not very much, if you want the disposables, but I was refering to the rigid ones - you can see examples, and prices, here. 1000 for about £500 quid. Breakages during Freshers Week can, and have, easily exceeded that. As for "can't come in, we've run out of glasses", there have been nights during Freshers' Weeks where the Unions have run out of beer. Anyway, endless got to it before me.

Hammer · 27th August 2007, 8:43pm

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Originally Posted by ally.h

And all of those are available at the end of email addresses provided on this page:

http://www.qmu.org.uk/about/board-of-management/

I would recommend president@qmu.org.uk

al.

To be honest Ally, I think it's much better to have discussions like this then just emailing the president. As it is, the BoM should be checking the forum regularly and using it as a tool to guage feedback, get ideas and basically serve to stimulate things. You also get a much broader selection of opinion online. And you know, people don't have to make an effort to contribute.

You also have the added bonus of showing how much support there is for something - Gordon can reply to as many emails as he likes saying 'Well yes, that's a good idea, but I don't think the members would really be interested in it.'
The forum makes him that much more accountable by letting people see other people's ideas.

Getting in (metaphorical) touch with the membership FTW.

I could contiue on this line of argument, but this thread is fragmented enough already.

erithromycin · 27th August 2007, 8:48pm

Also, Dizzie != Free - £36 for Freshers Pass, and by going you'll miss an hour or so of Goldie Lookin Chain (that's what we who've studied economics refer to as an 'opportunity cost'. I assume Dizzie's set is going to be about 45 minutes, the GUU having hopefully learned that lesson. GLC (and others) are doing 4 hours, so Freshers can, and I suspect will, see both - at the very worst those who come to see Dizzee and can't get in because it hits capacity might pop round to the QM, but that's me being somewhat defeatist and sarcastic.

Damnit hammer, it annoys me when you say things I agree with. Though Ally's point that the Board are approachable stands, at least when discussions are on forums like this embittered fucks like me (and, erm, thee) can step in when bored.

Hammer · 27th August 2007, 8:56pm

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Originally Posted by erithromycin

Damnit hammer, it annoys me when you say things I agree with. Though Ally's point that the Board are approachable stands, at least when discussions are on forums like this embittered fucks like me (and, erm, thee) can step in when bored.

And there's me thinking that I just annoyed you in general. Aw

And yes, the Board are approachable in general (well, I never was, but then I'm a miserable git), but it does seem (despite the Board's best efforts) that students in general remain unaware of how to contact the Board. God knows how given that various contact details are on just about every peice of PR, but there you go.

Anyway, my point was that more ways to contact the Board = good and free and public discussion of QM issues on the interwebs = good, and ideas coming from Grassroots members rather then Board and Committees = good.

*Potatojunkie* · 27th August 2007, 9:00pm

Argument: People are declaring an event to be a failure before it has occured, and this is stupid.

Counter-Argument #1: Strathclyde University exists.

Counter-Argument #2: Plastic glasses are inexpensive.

You wanted to get more school leavers into higher education, Mr. Blair? Well fuck you. Fuck you very much.

fuckin-yaldie · 27th August 2007, 9:33pm

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Originally Posted by Potatojunkie

Counter-Argument #2: Plastic glasses are inexpensive.

You have proved yourself to be a complete and utter fuckwit with your last post.

The point about glasses was brought up as an argument not a counter-argument. It was suggested the QM had to be carefull booking bands because it might not be able to afford enough glasses for the gig. (2000 disposable for under £100).

Are you on the board? I sincerely hope not and will strongly consider joining the GU next year if you are.

If you bother to read the WHOLE thread you will see that an infomed debate has taken place so stop trying to lower the tone.

fuckin-yaldie · 27th August 2007, 9:42pm

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Originally Posted by erithromycin

I don't think I've argued that plastic glasses are why the QMU doesn't have a big act.

I'm not saying that you did. Your posts, although I don't agree with your opinions, are well written and a pleasure to read, containing some form of logic and line of argument. I just wish I could say the same for endless "not enough glasses" psych...

Anyway, GLC vs Dizzee is not really the point here. We could argue about who the actual acts are all day but it should go without saying that it all comes down to personal preference.

What is the point (and I feel like I'm banging my head against a brickwall here when I say it), is that it's 1 act VS 3.