Organising a gig? Avoid this band! - Page 8

The Continental · 5th February 2008, 5:11pm

Gay for pay?

monkey star · 5th February 2008, 5:12pm

I'll do almost anything.

pANDAS Radio · 5th February 2008, 5:40pm

I'll hopefully be helping to promote a gig soon. Abdoujapatov at Nice n' Sleazys in April. I'll even be resurrecting pANDAS as a live band with a load of new tunes if I can find people for the new live incarnation.

MarkMono · 5th February 2008, 5:48pm

Hire a Primary school orchestra. You'd feel like a giant on stage.

Seriously though, I'll be at that. I miss Sleazys as a venue. It was being run really badly for a while a good few years back and it totally put me off playing there.

I hear its better now, but I'm hardly in the loop for such matters.

pANDAS Radio · 5th February 2008, 6:06pm

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Originally Posted by MarkMono

Hire a Primary school orchestra. You'd feel like a giant on stage.

A giant pANDA?

MarkMono · 5th February 2008, 6:10pm

God that would be so fucking good.

¡Punk! · 5th February 2008, 6:12pm

This good?

YouTube - Panda Molestie Sessuali

karbon14 · 5th February 2008, 6:16pm

FUCK YOU MICK!!! i cant rep you again.

pANDAS Radio · 5th February 2008, 6:54pm

Think i just found an intro tune, cheers Mick.

Elite · 17th September 2008, 10:55am

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Originally Posted by fallen_nemesis

What, time consuming and labour intensive for the minimum wage PR flyer monkeys you employ to pimp the night in the pissing rain for you by handing out flyers and putting up posters aye? I'd say that they get stuck doing most of the labour intensive work tbh.

sorry to bump an old thread but i just read 4 pages of pish from the folk that are against pay to play here. I am also against pay to play gigs i dont like doing it and dont intend to ever do it again. However comments like the one above are retarded becuase you folk dont actually take into account the fact that the guy posting on behalf of Puny Human Promotions IS out handing out flyers for his gigs in the pishing rain. Go to a metal gig (meshuggah last week as an example) come out at 10pm and guess whos standing handing out flyers for the gigs he is putting on. Thats right the owner of puny human promotions.

Im not defending pay to play but if your going to attack it at least make use of your eyes and READ his website and UNDERSTAND it before passing judgement. Also try to avoid making sweeping statements about someone that you clearly know nothing about.

Gadafti Inc. · 17th September 2008, 12:07pm

you just said it in your 2nd sentence - P2P=extortion.

Whether you do the promotion or not you've nothing to promote. THe bands that do these gigs are totally new to playing live and thus no one has heard of them. Who will go and see them if they've not heard of them?

To build a rep you have to play and you have to be memorable. But, all you do playing p2p shows is exhaust people's interest in you if you sign up to deals where you have to hand X pounds over when you play.

You'll sell tickets to the same folk every time and eventually they're fed up seeing you. Threads like this are important, because they flag up to young bands what you can do to get good gigs.

Book somewhere and do the work yerself - in Glasgow you'd do a lot worse than booking Ohenrys or The 13th Note and putting on your own show. IF you struggle to get folk to come see you, team up with like minded bands with more experience and a few folk who come see them.

Headwork · 17th September 2008, 3:24pm

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Originally Posted by Elite

However comments like the one above are retarded becuase you folk dont actually take into account the fact that the guy posting on behalf of Puny Human Promotions IS out handing out flyers for his gigs in the pishing rain. Go to a metal gig (meshuggah last week as an example) come out at 10pm and guess whos standing handing out flyers for the gigs he is putting on. Thats right the owner of puny human promotions.

I think thats a credit to his hard work, most of the time I see Owen he's out and about with flyers while working away and gives up most of his time for it... as for pay to play, from a business standpoint it's a good for the promoter... the band, well its up to them to decide if it's good for them or not.

Yorgo · 18th September 2008, 1:38pm

Everyone wants to make money.

Some people want to make money at the expense of everything else, some just feel their product has a value and you know what, a lot of the time it doesen't, but there are some jewels in the rough.

I believe paying up front for tickets in the bad aold days with Kelvin's Cathouse gigs was ridiculous but when it comes to taking a cut of each ticket sold I don't see a problem with it.

It costs normally around the £200 to hire a venue/engineer and then there are backline/advertising costs as well, sometimes even having to pay a touring band to headline the gig.

When you take it all into account, £2 or £3 per ticket sold to the promoter is fair, I believe splitting everything 50/50 from the tickets sold by the band to the tickets sols on the door is a fair way to operate. That way, the band will never lose money and usually make enough to cover all their expenses on the night.

Whatever way you look at it, P2P will always be here in some form, we need to work out a way to make it fair for both parties so everyone gets paid for their work and is happy.

Prof · 18th September 2008, 2:34pm

I think people need to make a distinction between P2P and promoters taking a cut of ticket money.

Pay to play is where a promoter will charge you an up-front fee to play the gig in an effort to cover their losses should the band fail to sell enough tickets. This is an especially shitty practice for two reasons. Firstly, the promoter has no motivation to find a properly talented band to put in their event. Secondly, it is usually taken up by young bands who don't know any better who get the mistaken impression that being in a band is like this all the time, then end up chucking it in like a jaded 45 year old wash-up despite only being just out of high school.

Promoters taking a cut of ticket prices is the way things should be and is completely fair as long as it isn't weighed too much in either direction (there are exceptions but I'm not here to spoon-feed every little titbit to you).

Also, Elite. I think it's fair to point out that a hard working promoter is not necessarily a good one.