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Old 20th September 2007, 9:19pm   #1
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[theory] Time Loops

Again same as the other, lifted from somewhere. Thought it was fairly interesting, worth a repost anyway.

Under it are replies by other people to the theory i deemed to be interesting/relevant.


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"In Desmond's travel back in time after turning the key in the hatch, he meets the woman at the jewelry store who says the universe will self correct. She points out the guy in the red shoes who dies moments later. She didn't save the guy because she says he would have been hit by a bus minutes later. And if she saved him from that he would have slipped in the shower and so on. Even though he still would die, the future would change. Later, Desmond gets the picture taken, breaks up with Penny, and presumably enters the race as he did before, knowing he'd end up back on the island.

However, this time what we don't see, is that he makes a slight change! He also convinces her that he is reliving everything. He proves it to her by predicting little things (like he tried to do with his other friend in the pub.) He says he needs her to monitor a certain section of the ocean for the electromagnetic anomaly around a certain date, and she'll that way learn where the island is that he gets stranded on. He's been there before and knows how to make it happen, and he even knows what dates there will be electromagnetic impulses discharged (September 22, when the plane crashes, and also when he turns the key.) Why else would she have set up a monitoring station with people watching for it? They never explained that did they? When he is training in L.A. and she sees him before he starts running in the stadium, she reluctantly says "with a little bit of time, and enough money, you can find anyone." She is not referring to the fact that she tracked him down just then. She is referring to their plan, which she doesn't fully believe since it is her first and only time through this time line. And to back this up, what does he say to Jack in the stadium? "See you in another life." So then he enters the race and he gets back to the island. He does everything the same to make sure history repeats itself perfectly. She notices the anomaly (two guys in South Pole monitoring station.) And now everything is new to him. He's never lived the next part of this timeline. He doesn't know if Penny even bothered to follow the plan. He's caught up to where he left off—right after turning the key.

But, there's a problem. He's not the only person reliving a timeline. I believe Locke is as well. And not just once—but several times.

This is why Locke has been so purpose-driven since day 1. This is why Locke always seems to serene on the island. He always says "You're not supposed to do that" or "This isn't the way it was supposed to happen." Locke knew Boone would die, he said it was "a sacrifice demanded by the island." Maybe because he knows if he saved Boone, as he has done in other time lines, it causes bad things to happen. So now he just lets it happen—just like the lady Desmond met in her example of the man in the red shoes. He also just follows the lead of everyone else, and subtly steers them in certain directions to make sure things happen the way they are supposed to.

When he can't get into the hatch he screams at it and gets obsessed with getting in. Why? Because he is supposed to! But perhaps this time, in his second time through the timeline, Desmond locks the hatch door and the first time he didn't? Perhaps the first time through they got in a different way? Locke needs to blow it up this time. He tells everyone HOPE is inside. His own hope for getting things right this time around. He knows about the other entrance, but for some reason unknown to us, he must go in through the hatch.

The woman told Desmond NOT to save someone like the man in the red shoes because he would only die anyway, and the future would change because he would die in a different manner. So tell me this: if Charlie died by the lightning strike, or by drowning, or hitting his head on the rocks, or by the arrow through his neck, and Desmond doesn't save him, who turns off the jamming equipment? We already saw Charlie had to be there—the code was programmed by a musician. No one else on the island could do it. But even so, maybe they take the sub? Down to the station? It was designed for the sub to dock there. Maybe they could just find a way to use the "Flame" to contact the freighter off shore? Nope. Locke blew up the "Flame." And the Sub. And he was making his way to the broadcast tower when he ran into Jack, already there with a satellite phone, trying to make radio contact. With the freighter off shore. It seems Locke has deliberately blown up all these things. And it seems he did this for a very specific reason that we don't know right now.

But the one thing Locke cannot count on is the fact that Desmond, in his first time back repeating this timeline, saves charlie's life. This enable Charlie to swim down to the station and disable the jamming equipment. This has never happened before in all the times Locke has relived this, because Desmond could never see the future before. Locke says, very deliberately, "Jack, you aren't supposed to do this!" And he aims the gun at him. But we know one thing about Locke… he can't kill. He can't shoot Jack, who makes the call.

In the background, you see Locke wanders away, to the back of the radio tower… presumably having failed AGAIN in this timeline, destined to live it over again. My guess is the first episode of next season starts with the explosion of the tower at the hands of Locke. Perhaps too late, but there's always hope."

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"I think Ben is quite aware of the timelines and how they repeat. In Room 23, where Karl is being brainwashed, when the audio is played backward a woman's voice can be heard saying "Only fools are enslaved by time and space."


"After reading and re-reading my post, I may have tried to explain too much. I think the ideas I wanted to get across most of all were that Desmond HAD to have told Penny what to look for (electromagnetic anomaly) and where (somewhere in the south pacific.) He also had to prove to her what he was experiencing or else she wouldn't have gone through all this trouble. As Sham said above, she knew what channel to broadcast on, etc. It's too perfectly organized.


As for Locke, I think he has gone through a lot of this once or twice before, somehow. I tried to flesh it out, but the more I think about it, the more I think he WAS genuinely surprised to be able to walk when first getting to the island. So maybe he's just repeating certain parts of his life on the island.


In one alternate reality maybe Locke blows up the sub, they can't get to the Looking Glass to stop the jamming, but then they find a way to use the Flame to contact the freighter. So Locke blows up the Flame the next time around. But then Desmond rescues Charlie from dying, he disables the jammer, and they use the radio tower. So the next time Locke goes through this reality, he will blow up the sub, blow up the flame, AND kill charlie.


The universe keeps correcting itself, but Locke isn't aware that the same conclusion will keep resulting— so he he keeps trying over and over to stop the transmission to the freighter, which will happen regardless of what he is doing."


"As for not killing someone, let me take that back: Locke can't kill anyone who still has a role to play in the current reality / timeline. He can't kill Jack, because maybe he knows Jack has a huge role to play in the future— if he kills him, something doesn't get accomplished like it should? He can kill Naomi because she has no other role in the future outcome."


"We don't know that Locke threw the knife. We were shown Locke teaching Walt to throw the knife for a reason. My best guess is that Walt threw the knife"


" Dude, you got it right!! I just rewatched it here and you're right!! We don't really see Locke throwing the knife. It's somehow "implicit" in the scene, though, but given the Losties didn't notice Locke —and how weird is that, he's just there for anyone to see— they wouldn't have noticed Walt either —assuming Walt could be seen by anyone else but Locke."


"All this talk about Walt makes perfect sense to me. Walt was taught how to throw the knife by Locke, and it seems too convenient that the writers have put Locke and Walt together at this time. And at no other time after learning to throw has Walt put that into practice. And doesn't Walt say that they have work to do when he comes to find Locke? He's obviously VERY aware of something going on.


Also, when Michael was getting on the boat to leave the island, Ms. Klugh asks him if he ever saw young Walt in places he should not be. And another comment was made along the lines that Walt was too much for them to handle.


Again— did Locke know something, even way back at the beginning, that made him aware of future events and the NEED to teach Walt to throw the knife? I really think Locke is making things happen according to a plan. The more details that surface, the more this seems to be the case.


This also follows withy my original statement that Locke is not capable of killing. He didn't even kill his own father who threw him out a window and stole his kidney. He had to trick Sawyer into doing it! Locke's undeniable track record of not being able to kill combined with the appearence of Walt and his acquired ability of knife throwing points squarely at this scenario.


Although, in the interest of fair time for opposing arguments: I think it has been said, by more than one individual (including Locke) that you shouldn't mistake fate for coincidence. Yet, that seems like a very deliberate statement by a character directly involved in these happenings. Perhaps Locke was covering his tracks that he knew something?"

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