Revealed: rise of creationism in UK schools - Page 2

petpiranha · 27th November 2006, 2:14pm

Am I to take it then that some people believe Adam gave birth to Eve? Damn, if only THAT was on YouTube. That would fucking rule.

endless psych · 27th November 2006, 2:17pm

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Originally Posted by petpiranha

Am I to take it then that some people believe Adam gave birth to Eve? Damn, if only THAT was on YouTube. That would fucking rule.

Jesus loves me yes I know, cos the bible tells me so

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in Genesis 2:21–22 it states

"And the Yahweh caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Yahweh had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man" (modified King James Version)

StuntGirl · 27th November 2006, 2:17pm

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Originally Posted by petpiranha

>Eve coming out of Adam

Excuse me but what the fuck is that theory???

Its creationism at its hardcorest. god created man from dust and clay, and woman was borne of adam's rib, which god removed after putting him into a deep sleep. I think god created man on the 6th day, I think ladies came a little later...not too up on my bible right now.

your hardcore creationists will argue that the book of genesis is exactly how the universe was created, and they argue for it being taught as a science in schools, which, if im not mistaken, is already done so in some schools in the US. given the choice, id take the aliens myself, but different strokes for different folks.

*LesMTS* · 27th November 2006, 2:19pm

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Originally Posted by petpiranha

Am I to take it then that some people believe Adam gave birth to Eve? Damn, if only THAT was on YouTube. That would fucking rule.

Eve was made from one of Adam's ribs. Apparently, according to the Bible, this explains why men have less ribs than women. Except they don't. Men and women have the same number of ribs. Go figure.

endless psych · 27th November 2006, 2:21pm

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Originally Posted by LesMTS

Eve was made from one of Adam's ribs. Apparently, according to the Bible, this explains why men have less ribs than women. Except they don't. Men and women have the same number of ribs. Go figure.

Oh thats just that japster Satan fooling the world into thinking hew doesn't exist through the cunning invention of Godless science...

*LesMTS* · 27th November 2006, 2:26pm

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Originally Posted by petpiranha

>>>The teaching pack, which includes two DVDs and a manual

Les, any chance you could get hold of these? Could be a laugh...

I'm looking into this right now.
Might be a bad idea though. Watching it would piss me off.

*Potatojunkie* · 27th November 2006, 2:29pm

Young Earth Creationists are great fun. Watching people trying to construct a valid scientific basis for the story of Noah's Ark and the Great Flood is eyeball-poppingly hilarious.

StuntGirl · 27th November 2006, 2:30pm

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Originally Posted by endless psych

Oh thats just that japster Satan fooling the world into thinking hew doesn't exist through the cunning invention of Godless science...

Well, the god did say that the Devil would trick everyone and because of that, only a tiny few would get into heaven after the second coming. Thats why im more inclined to believe that Christians have been tricked big style and they're all worshipping the Devil without even realising it, so there all going to Hell. I'm also inclined to believe that people that stick to the whole 'worship the earth' thing are probably closer to any god like thing than anyone that spouts tracts of hateful dogma, so thats were god truly is and thats were all the Christians/Satan worshippers have gone awry.

i'm starting to sound like a crazy woman...can i point out i believe this all on a purely philosophical level and its not actually a doctrine for my life.

hotblonde · 27th November 2006, 2:33pm

I feel a bit sorry for them if the truth be told. To be so brain washed and unable to accept basics like the earth is 4.6billion yrs old, is a wee shame but still not difficult to induce.

The debates that arise when you're forced to defend something you don't believe in can be really odd. That's how we were taught this. Go out, research and then defend it, even though you don't believe a word of it. Amazing how driven you can get, so it's easily done.

nevali · 27th November 2006, 2:46pm

The bit of this I don't get is, when I was at school the teachers were always greeting about how they had no flexibility in stuff because it's prescribed by the National Curriculum, and yet 59 schools are teaching creationism using material that's been ‘condemned by the Government’

Has some major shift occurred in education that I don't know about?

I don't think for a second that it shouldn't be taught in schools (much as many things with no real scientific evidence are taught in schools, enough people believe it to warrant knowing about), but my concern would really be how it's taught.

I'd like to see the scientific definitions of ‘theory’ and ‘hypothesis’ being drummed into three year olds at nursery, mind.

endless psych · 27th November 2006, 2:48pm

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Originally Posted by nevali

The bit of this I don't get is, when I was at school the teachers were always greeting about how they had no flexibility in stuff because it's prescribed by the National Curriculum, and yet 59 schools are teaching creationism using material that's been ‘condemned by the Government’

Has some major shift occurred in education that I don't know about?

They could be private or religious schools...

These days teachers greet predominantly about targets and the increased burden of administration they face. IE stuff that stops them actually teaching. (Well that and the terribly unruly kids they have to deal with.)

*LesMTS* · 27th November 2006, 2:51pm

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Originally Posted by nevali

I don't think for a second that it shouldn't be taught in schools (much as many things with no real scientific evidence are taught in schools, enough people believe it to warrant knowing about), but my concern would really be how it's taught.

I'm all for it being taught in RE or philosophy. It's a widely held and important belief and therefore should be represented in general education.
What it isn't, though, is science and it should not be taught in science classrooms. It shouldn't even be mentioned in science classrooms.

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Originally Posted by endless psych

They could be private or religious schools...

It's state schools.

nevali · 27th November 2006, 2:52pm

‘There's a hypothesis that all of the evidence we have supporting Darwin's theories actually culminate in a ruse, put about as part of a fiendish plan by the creator of the universe’.

endless psych · 27th November 2006, 2:57pm

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Originally Posted by LesMTS

It's state schools.

From the Bluecoat school Liverpool website (School mentioned in article)

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Religious Education

The school is not affiliated to any one religious denomination, but the school day begins with a Christian act of worship for all students either in the School Chapel or in the Shirley Hall. The School Chaplain is the Rector of Holy Trinity Church, Wavertree.

But on further reading...

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The teaching pack, which includes two DVDs and a manual, was sent to the head of science at all secondary schools in the country on September 18 by the group Truth in Science. The enclosed feedback postcard was returned by 89 schools. As well as 59 positive responses, 15 were negative or dismissive and 15 said the material was "not suitable".

StuntGirl · 27th November 2006, 3:00pm

Wow, thats not religious in the slightest.