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Old 27th January 2005, 4:54pm   #1
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"FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

http://www.football365.com/news/story_141623.shtml
Why John Barnes wasn't in the first 5 names they picked is BEYOND ME....

"FA withdraw all-white DVD"

The Football Association have scrapped thousands of copies of a DVD claiming to feature the best post-war England internationals as it did not include a single black player.

The DVD, entitled 'The Pride of the Nation', had been included in a welcome pack for newcomers to the 'englandfans' official members' club.

Sven-Goran Eriksson introduced a retrospective look at the leading footballers to have worn an England shirt over the past 40 years.

But while the initial list given to video producers Octagon is understood to have included black players, none of them made the final cut as the running time was reduced to 30 minutes.

And when the complaints then started at the unwitting offence caused by the FA's failure to check the finished copy, the governing body were forced into action.

This will involve the expense of all copies of the DVD being scrapped and a new edition being put together, featuring several black players.

FA head of media Adrian Bevington declared: "The FA is fully committed to promoting diversity in all areas of the game and in society.

"We regret and apologise for any offence that may have been caused due to a lack of black player representation on this DVD.

"With immediate effect, the DVD, which have been distributed to new members of the 'englandfans' club to date, has been withdrawn.

"The FA is in the process of producing a new DVD, which will include several outstanding black players, who have, of course, made a huge contribution to the national team and football in this country.

"Additionally, the FA is writing a letter of apology to all England fans who have received the original compilation, together with a copy of the new DVD.

"A letter will also be sent to the Professional Footballers' Association, apologising for any offence caused to any current or former players.''

Senior FA figures have been keen to rectify the situation, while stressing that the cost to the governing body will be minimal.

However, it is still highly embarrassing, especially just a few months after the FA complained vociferously at the racist abuse hurled at black England players in Madrid and stressed their own commitment to tackling the issue.

Piara Powar, spokesman for the Kick It Out anti-racism campaign, welcomed the FA's apology, while stressing the need for the governing body to remain acutely aware of such sensitive issues.

"We can understand the concerns that have been raised as black players have contributed an immense amount to the game in England, but the FA's apology shows they realise that they have made a faux-pas,'' he said.

Many of the 17 players on the original DVD would be uncontroversial choices, including Bobby Moore, Gary Lineker, Sir Bobby Charlton, Paul Gascoigne, Alan Shearer, Bryan Robson, David Beckham and Terry Butcher.

However, Martin Peters, Chris Waddle, Stuart Pearce and Steven Gerrard were also included, while black players such as Rio Ferdinand, Sol Campbell, Paul Ince, John Barnes, Ashley Cole and Viv Anderson were not.

Bevington added: "There have been numerous outstanding black footballers since Viv Anderson's debut in 1978 and that should have been highlighted on the
original DVD.''

The original list of players - including some black internationals - was selected by a group of 'englandfans' members but, after editing, the FA still had final responsibility for the contents.

They are now deciding upon which black players will be included on an extended version of the DVD.
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Old 27th January 2005, 5:02pm   #2
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Re: "FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

Umm...

So long as the black players weren't cut out because they were black, what's the problem?
Surely including someone simply BECAUSE they are black is discrimination just as much as if they were excluded for the same reason?
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Old 27th January 2005, 5:07pm   #3
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Re: "FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

Oh wise up.

The English FA is run by elderly OAPs who use language behind closed doors that would put Big Ron to shame. Thats why no black players were included.

Stop trying to be clever with your comment, this is really simple:
Name England's best ever 5 players,
and only an idiot or a total bigot would leave John Barnes out.
End of story.
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Re: "FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

Not even a footie fan... Just spotted this in Get New.
Who had the call as to the final cut though? Surely that was the editor of the DVD, rather than some old git at the FA?
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Old 28th January 2005, 5:46pm   #5
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Possibly but I'd have thought whoever was putting it together would be working off a list of names given to him by the FA - which would explain why it happened.
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Re: "FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

there were black names on the list, but they had to be cut out to fit the time
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Old 5th February 2005, 12:59am   #7
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two words for you

john barnes

ive seen the names of the players who were picked...
Terry Butcher? WTF???
Like you wanna watch a dvd of him hoofing the ball into row z

me thinks not
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Re: "FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

Some players got left out that shouldn't have. Big deal, oh wait they're black! Can't leave them out :-\.

I think it was a simple faux pas as the article said, I don't think it was meant and I think too big a deal is trying to be made out of this.
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Re: "FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

So John Barnes scoring against Brazil when he took round half the Brazilian team ... in Brazil, when they beat Brazil, wouldn't be included on this DVD?

Verses Zico and Socrates.

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Re: "FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

And because he wasn't included, its obviously got to be for purely racist reasons aye?

Pfft load of bullshit.
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Re: "FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

Not necessarily, but i'd ask why something like that isn't in.

I doubt it's something so sinister as a deliberate attempt to undermine black footballers, but the fact that John Barnes et al are overlooked must raise the question of an institutional form of racism that lurks in the psyche of traditional British institutions such as the FA.
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Re: "FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

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But while the initial list given to video producers Octagon is understood to have included black players, none of them made the final cut as the running time was reduced to 30 minutes.

And when the complaints then started at the unwitting offence caused by the FA's failure to check the finished copy, the governing body were forced into action.
^From that it looks as if the FA didn't even know that black players had been cut out off the programme.
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Re: "FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

"I think it was a simple faux pas as the article said, I don't think it was meant and I think too big a deal is trying to be made out of this."

Completely disagree. While the media has gone over the top with PC in general, this is an example of the most glaring omission imaginable. It'd be like making a 30min documentary on the impact of Seattle bands from the 90s and not including Nirvana.
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Completely disagree. While the media has gone over the top with PC in general, this is an example of the most glaring omission imaginable. It'd be like making a 30min documentary on the impact of Seattle bands from the 90s and not including Nirvana.
No actually, I don't think it would be like that at all. Its a 30 minute programme, they aren't going to be able to include all of the top footballers in that short a time if it's a documentary of any worth. Some white players who should be on it probably aren't included, yet I don't imagine the same fuss would be made there. They're highlighting black players contribution to English football for the wrong reasons by doing this, just to appease some people who see a racist-conspiracy in every institution in Britain.
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Re: "FA withdraw all-white DVD" - they're as bad as the Spanish FA

That the dvd was supposed to highlight England's greatest ever players and contained likes of Terry Butcher along with a very long list of others and yet managed to somehow leave out John Barnes, arguably one of the best players to ever wear the shirt, is fucking absurd. Adopting the "they're highlighting black players contribution to English football for the wrong reasons" stance is completely missing the point and I'd question your footballing knowledge on this particular topic of debate. You keep talking about colour but fail to incorporate the player's ABILITY into this debate. It'd be like having a debate about the most contraversial world cup goal ever scored and not talking about Maradona's hand of God. Your media-informed, view-du-jour is actually ill placed in this thread because you are wrong.
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