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Old 6th February 2008, 6:01pm   #1
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HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoofer advice!

Hi, I have bought some new JBL speakers (E60's and E20's) and have realised hooking them up to my old combi hi fi really isn't working.

I'm looking for a new amp to run them with and a bass sub woofer.

Currently I'm looking at amp between £150 an £250.
(particularly the NAD C315BEE -
http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR235921 ---

and the HARMAN KARDON HK 3380
http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR230101 -- )




and a woofer up to £200 ie JBL E 150P
http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR248311)

I love a great sound but don't know how to get it. Any help would be much appreciated,

Cheers Chris
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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoffer advice!

Not too sure what your are trying to do here. You after a surround sound set up? If you are the amps you are looking at are only stereo. If it is a stereo set up what sort of music do you listen to most?
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Old 7th February 2008, 7:13pm   #3
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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoffer advice!

thanks for responding,

yeah its not for surround sound. i just want a good sound for listening to my music (i.e. a stereo set up). i like lots of things mainly rock eg. jeff buckley, quotsa, but i also listen to a bit of classical.

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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoffer advice!

I'm a bit skeptical about the idea of adding a seperate subwoofer in domestic hifi set up!

Still, your choice. I take it you've tried experimenting with speaker positions etc, ie putting 'em in corners make the bass a lot more solid etc...

Anyway, that Nad is lovely, i have a friend who has one. I haven't heard the HK one but I notice it's twice as powerful*... if you're getting into wanting a sub I guess you like your music hefty, and it seems the HK will do that with more ease.



* i don't normally pay much attention to these kinda numbers, they're meaningless unless you know the THD & frequency range for the stated power...
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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoffer advice!

ok cheers. you say you are skeptical about having a seperate sub. is this just because it could create too much bass responce?

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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoffer advice!

regarding the music you play I would recommend a Marantz amp. A classic amp that is a great all rounder, it is a well respected make for playing classical music.

Link http://www.richersounds.com/showprod...ARA-PM4400-BLK

Also the amp can take two sets of speakers so you can wire the two sets up for say two different rooms. This amp also has a phono input for a turntable if you use one. I wouldn't bother with a sub woofer at all for a great set of speakers like the one you have. You only need them for a set up that is treble only like surround speakers.

also the Denon amps are very good for more classical music like

http://www.richersounds.com/showprod...id=DENO-PMA500

But if you play a good bit of rock music then a Cambridge Audio is a great first amp. They get great reviews all the time and are still used as the comparison in test for new amps in the magazines.

http://www.richersounds.com/showprod...-AZUR-340A-SIL

Remember to get good speaker cables as well it really boosts the sound quality.
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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoofer advice!

thanks alot. i dont think i'll bother with a woffer if i don't have to (they are expensive for one cone!). ill buy the amp before i think and then see if i realy need one.

thanks again,

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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoofer advice!

i typed a long post yesterday and then it messed up and got lost

but i was also gonna recommend looking at marantz and cambridge audio, i've had both and both worked well and sounded good.

a little more about subswoofers: as mentioned above, when used with little satelite speakers that only produce mid-high frequencies they make sense...

there are two main reasons subs are used in huge PA rigs but neither really applies to domestic situations - firstly a practical one to do with physics: bass is made up of low frequencies which have long wavelengths - as a result we don't percieve where the noise is coming from very well, and also they aren't reflected or absorbed as easily. the opposite is true with higher frequencies. so mid-high cabinets are typically mounted high up to carry over a crowd's heads and provide a sense of direction for where the music is coming from... but subs can sit wherever is convenient, and bass will pass through obstacles to arrive at listeners' ears. so in fixed installations (clubs, restaurants...) only some of the weight has to be screwed into the walls / hung from the ceiling, making it cheaper and safer and less intrusive looking, if you use seperate subs.

secondly, with very high volume requirements, you really need speakers to be varying sizes to cover all the frequencies, an 18" speaker can't be made to vibrate 15,000 times a second to produce treble... but a one inch speaker, which can easily vibrate 15,000 times a second can't move enough air when it vibrates at only 80 times a second to make suffiently audible bass. hence the need in huge PA rigs for three (or four) way systems with active crossovers splitting the sound up into low, middle and high frequencies. that's done out of necessity and isn't an ideal solution because it's very hard to get a smooth transition from the speakers handling the low frequencies to those doing the mids, and so on. and crucially, remember that when a bassist twangs his low E string, it isn't just one pitch that's pruduced - the fundamental tone is 80Hz, which is handled by the bass speakers, but there's a whole series of higher pitches produced as well, which are responsible for the character of the sound (that's what makes a bass guitar sound different from a tuba) and these will be produced by the mid and even to an extend the high frequency speakers. so getting it all to sound homogenous and musical can become hard work as you add more seperate elements.

in a typical living room though a 4" or 6" speaker can produce enough vibration at low frequencies, and can vibrate quickly enough to do all but the highest sssssssssssss noises from cymbals etc. and for the reasons i'm hinting at above that's kinda a better solution.

apologies if you knew all this, or just if it's boring...

anyhow, let us know what you get, and how it sounds!
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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoofer advice!

i will certainly do that. you didn't waste your time above. i already knew the basics of what you were saying but without your advice i would have probably bought a sub woffer anyway!

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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoofer advice!

canna beat a big sub
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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoofer advice!

What's the RMS on your speakers?

Buy Crown, Buy Once.

Good quality, and importantly for what you need, quiet power amps.

If you can afford it, QSC is always worth a look.
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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoofer advice!

hi, i decided to get the cambridge audio amp 340a SE. so far i've just stuck with the e60's on their own and they sound pretty smart.

cheers chris.
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Re: HELP!!! looking for a new amp, subwoofer advice!

aye canna been Cambridge audio. All designed and built in the uk as well. Glad you like the amp they do have a great sound. By the way keep the amp of for a day or two to run it in you will find it sound even better after it.
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