Religion V Evolution (Round 1) ding ding - Page 2

Moshar · 17th March 2009, 12:43pm

Religion and evolution arent that far off of each other. As the world evolved, so did religion... different ages, different gods... different origins of gods...

Christianity for example, came from way back when the sun was worshiped and the night was feared... God/Lucifer... or known then differently. The two "gods" would fight on a daily basis, where God won, the day would come, where Lucifer won, the night would come...

Religion is a product of our own creativity, as anything profoundly good happens (i.e. the sun rising, bringing heat, protection from the dark etc) there MUST have been something behind it... and it all stemmed off from that...

*LesMTS* · 17th March 2009, 12:48pm

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Originally Posted by Moshar

Christianity for example, came from way back when the sun was worshiped and the night was feared... God/Lucifer... or known then differently. The two "gods" would fight on a daily basis, where God won, the day would come, where Lucifer won, the night would come...

I don't think it's quite as simple as that.

Moshar · 17th March 2009, 12:53pm

Ofcourse it isn't... thats blatant. But im not going to write an essay lol... couldn't if i wanted too, the whole point is... religion evolved from creativity...

something had to start all this
there must be things like this

questions like that...

Dec · 17th March 2009, 12:59pm

I love how the evolution vs. creationism/intelligent argument design is always reduced to evolution vs. religion. Religion is no more incompatible with evolution than Harry Potter books are.

endless psych · 17th March 2009, 1:08pm

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Originally Posted by Moshar

Ofcourse it isn't... thats blatant. But im not going to write an essay lol... couldn't if i wanted too, the whole point is... religion evolved from creativity...

Nah religion is far more likely to have evolved out of the social structures used to maintain in-group loyalty to the tribe. Also actually arguably the need to provide a means of explaining the world and everything in it played a part as well, but probably only as a means of justifying the system itself.

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Originally Posted by Dec

I love how the evolution vs. creationism/intelligent argument design is always reduced to evolution vs. religion. Religion is no more incompatible with evolution than Harry Potter books are.

Belief in God is not incompatable with evolution. Belief in the bible/any given creation myth is (which is I think the point you were making anyway). The question is which of these is religion? (Probably not all that interesting a question on reflection, I sense a philosophical cul de sac approaching...)

Moshar · 17th March 2009, 1:18pm

Its all theorys... no one on this forum can say for defonate... doubt anyone on this planet atm can. Or will be able too.

But shit like a "thorny crown" ... the sun is often portrayed as having those spikes going around it... know what im saying?

At the end of the day.. religion sucks.

Dec · 17th March 2009, 1:22pm

Wow, halos are like the sun as well, think there's a connection? And people that commit crimes are normally the same colour as the night, think that's linked as well?

Tacky · 17th March 2009, 1:23pm

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I'm new here

Don't know who to take seriously yet.
Plus... Theres alot of nutters out there who beleive humans are 6000 years old and noah's ark contained the entire gene-pool for humanity in 2 people.

Well, obviously they didnt pay attention when Eddie Izzard was telling them the truth about evil ducks!

Dec · 17th March 2009, 1:23pm

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Originally Posted by endless psych

Belief in God is not incompatable with evolution. Belief in the bible/any given creation myth is (which is I think the point you were making anyway). The question is which of these is religion? (Probably not all that interesting a question on reflection, I sense a philosophical cul de sac approaching...)

I'd plump for belief in God being religious, belief in any particular fairytale or Aesops fable being ideological.

Dr00py79 · 17th March 2009, 2:30pm

What was the top/best selling book in the world last year? Ok, books can be fact or fiction, i just happen to think that this one is fiction....

endless psych · 17th March 2009, 2:36pm

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I'd plump for belief in God being religious, belief in any particular fairytale or Aesops fable being ideological.

See I reckon religion implies a degree of organisation that isn't nessecarily implied by an individual deist belief. That said I agree with your position under your definition and the world wouldn't be enriched by a long drawn out discussion in the vein of "what is religion" heh.

Moshar · 17th March 2009, 2:44pm

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Originally Posted by Dec

Wow, halos are like the sun as well, think there's a connection? And people that commit crimes are normally the same colour as the night, think that's linked as well?

um... no they arent. Go look at the sun, then look at a halo... you might see the difference...
i didnt write this shit, big diploma weilding speccy cunts did lol.

*LesMTS* · 17th March 2009, 2:54pm

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Originally Posted by Moshar

um... no they arent. Go look at the sun, then look at a halo... you might see the difference...
i didnt write this shit, big diploma weilding speccy cunts did lol.

Looks more like a halo than a crown of thorns.

Dec · 17th March 2009, 2:55pm

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Originally Posted by Moshar

um... no they arent. Go look at the sun, then look at a halo... you might see the difference...

Yeah, you make a fair point actually. I do see quite big difference now.

Moshar · 17th March 2009, 3:02pm

Its interesting shit dude, but the whole religion thing just drains all my energy its that pathetic (imo).

People back then where major retards.