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Old 19th July 2009, 8:47pm   #46
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Re: deja vu?

You "scientists" (I use quotes because I highly doubt you've actually done anything to contribute to science) are just as close minded as the extreme religeous types that were afraid of knowledge in the dark ages. If you can't be open to new possibilities then new hypotheses and technology would never happen, open your mind!
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You "scientists" (I use quotes because I highly doubt you've actually done anything to contribute to science) are just as close minded as the extreme religeous types that were afraid of knowledge in the dark ages. If you can't be open to new possibilities then new hypotheses and technology would never happen, open your mind!
An excellent comparison! Science, with its slavish adherence to such outdated concepts as evidence, is no way to be expanding society's knowledge base. And remember, theories are like the justice system - true until proven false.

Don't let the haters in this thread get you down. Your anecdotal experiences tell us more than facts ever could.
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What is it they say about sarcasm? I do actually concider myself science-minded, I love new technology and reading about new discoveries in new scientist, don't see why I can't be open to spiritual ideas as well though. I think it takes people in the science community so much longer to get theories concidered let alone proven because they are surrounded by people saying "nah I don't think so!"
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I think it takes people in the science community so much longer to get theories concidered let alone proven because they are surrounded by people saying "nah I don't think so!"
Exactly. That's its biggest strength. You gotta have a credible mechanism for a decent hypothesis, first and foremost.

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What is it they say about sarcasm?
Its really, really fucking funny?

(I jest obviously. I believe they say that it is the lowest form of wit. Though I'm not sure where that places slapstick.)
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You "scientists" (I use quotes because I highly doubt you've actually done anything to contribute to science) are just as close minded as the extreme religeous types that were afraid of knowledge in the dark ages. If you can't be open to new possibilities then new hypotheses and technology would never happen, open your mind!
My work involves researching sexual health practitioner decision making in cases of suspected abuse and child protection referrals. The contribution to scientific understanding and advancement is probably quite low (it's not blue sky science after all) but the potential benefits to practitioner understanding and risk assessment definatly have tangible benefits in terms of actually helping improve outcomes for children at risk.

Science isn't dogma, confirmation bias and coincidence (as you should know from studying psychology) provides a satisfying explanation for what you report experiencing.

Where any of the events you dreamt about vastly outside of the realm of what would probably have occurred. Note you mentioned not winning the lottery as an example so how mundane/extraordinary were the events that gave you the experience of déjà vu?

It's also worth mentioning the work of Loftus on memory. There is plenty of research to suggest that memory is notoriously unreliable. Can you be 100% sure that your recollection of the original dreams wasn't altered in someway (small or large) to fit with your thesis of prediction?

Finally you would really expect some dreams people have to match future events just by chance. How often do you dream? How often do you dream about normal life events? What's key here is not how many times you were correct but more importantly how often you were wrong. If your wrong more then right then that would strongly imply coincidence. The classic example is of course someone ringing you when you were thinking about them versus the vast amount of times you weren't...

The experience could be valid, no one could really say for sure, however we now a lot about human psychology and this body of work can explain the experience without needing to introduce extra complexity.

We probably have seemed somewhat harsh in our questioning, but it's ironic to suggest that we are being close minded when we are putting forward alternative hypotheses and you are advocating a faith based position.
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Re: deja vu?

I'd like to add I've experienced things I cannot explain however I don't think I would be justified in holding a faith based position that these things were supernatural rather then looking for potential explanations.
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I'd like to add I've experienced things I cannot explain however I don't think I would be justified in holding a faith based position that these things were supernatural rather then looking for potential explanations.
The near unanimous acceptance of mustard as an acceptable thing to eat?
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We probably have seemed somewhat harsh in our questioning, but it's ironic to suggest that we are being close minded when we are putting forward alternative hypotheses and you are advocating a faith based position.
Nah I say closed minded to the guy who says I'm either "bat shit crazy or lying, simple as" and you for saying my life is predictable. You can't predict with 100% accuracy what everyone around you will do and say for hours on end, however mundane my life may be

I was just putting forward my opinion as other people had mentioned a similar feeling, it was for them I posted my experiences not for the other folk who are clearly not interested other than enjoying telling me I'm wrong. Don't understand why these people bother posting but either way I can see I'm not gona convince them, so I'm not gona post on this topic anymore. If anyone else wants to ask me about it feel free to message me.
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Re: deja vu?

The "your life is predictable" was a bit of a low blow yes. However there is an element of truth to it. Without knowing how likely the events you predicted were we can't know how likely you would be to predict them. Saying you can't predict anything with 100% accurracy does not imply that a faith based position becomes automatically more worthy.
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Nah I say closed minded to the guy who says I'm either "bat shit crazy or lying, simple as" and you for saying my life is predictable. You can't predict with 100% accuracy what everyone around you will do and say for hours on end, however mundane my life may be

I was just putting forward my opinion as other people had mentioned a similar feeling, it was for them I posted my experiences not for the other folk who are clearly not interested other than enjoying telling me I'm wrong. Don't understand why these people bother posting but either way I can see I'm not gona convince them, so I'm not gona post on this topic anymore. If anyone else wants to ask me about it feel free to message me.
If everything you've told us is true I'd have to be honest and say that the most logical solution is that you are somewhat deluded. But no more than say, a christian, or someone who believes in Santa Claus.

No need to be rude about it mind you.
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I just had the weirdest deja vu there involving a black cat. Nothing to do with the fact i watched Thhe Matrix last night.
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