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Old 31st May 2006, 6:49pm   #16
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Re: Microsoft Office 12 [2007]

This will be the worst reason for liking this install ever, but it installs into a Start Menu Group under Microsoft Office, rather than taking over the whole damn Menu!
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Re: Microsoft Office 12 [2007]

hahaha i changed my start menu in work to do that.

im sure the 2003 version i have did it itself though.
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Re: Microsoft Office 12 [2007]

I was under the distinct impression that Office 2003 did that.
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Re: Microsoft Office 12 [2007]

I am searching for an option to change the "skin" from that blue to something darker.

If that is possible in the same way as Media Player then it's going to be slightly easier on the eyes.

Yet to find out how to make the page blue, rather than white though.
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Re: Microsoft Office 12 [2007]

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some of it looks not bad, however, isn't one of the benefits of microsoft software that it uses a consistant menu layout / ui so that you know where everything is?

for example where is the file menu exactly? to save-as etc?

i can see the save button, but not everything else.

i guess its something that you have to use to get used to it.

I like the idea, and graphically it looks pretty good, however the layout of the menu items just seems a bit strange.
The menus are unchangeable from what I hear.
Which gives a single unified unmodifiable user experience. No more fucking tech calls about "where is X option" because it's right there on what MS is calling "Ribbons"
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I was under the distinct impression that Office 2003 did that.
Oops. I never bothered with Office 2003.
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Re: Microsoft Office 12 [2007]

Instead you'll get tech calls asking where the ‘ribbon’ is in every other application.

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The menus are unchangeable from what I hear.
Which gives a single unified unmodifiable user experience. No more fucking tech calls about "where is X option" because it's right there on what MS is calling "Ribbons"
So will vista use this same unified user experience as standard? will every other microsoft product?

i can see the idea of it, and if a redesign of the ui works then fair enough, but they need to do a redesign across the entire range so that the UI is consistent.

Ill post up a more detailed opinion of it once ive used it for a while.
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Instead you'll get tech calls asking where the ‘ribbon’ is in every other application.

ie. My hold button will wear off?

Hah, the very top bar with the save/print icons is customisable, looks to be it, though.
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Re: Microsoft Office 12 [2007]

My initial review:

Word 2007
I am basing these comparisons on my usage of office 2003 so some things I mention may not be new in this version, just new since the 2003 version.


The menu button

The first thing I tried to do with Word was take a screenshot, then crop the image in Photoshop so that it only showed the new menu button (shown below) and paste it directly into the document.
It didn’t work (to be fair I just tried it in Office 2003 and it didn’t work either), so I saved it as a jpeg and inserted it.





It took me a few seconds to find the right option to insert the new item. (Click on the insert menu item and insert picture is on the “ribbon” about a third of the way in.)
There seem to be lots of menu items, which at first seem confusing to me.
The interface reminds me of 3D Studio Max in a lot of ways. A lot of the information seems to be present on the screen at one time (as much as can fit it seems).
However I do like the way in which, if you change the size of the window, each of the toolbar sections contracts to a clickable drop down menu:





Scroll Wheel


My scroll wheel doesn’t work unless I actually click on the page then move up and down. Just scrolling does nothing, even when I do click the scroll wheel, moving the mouse up or down moves the page too fast. This may be because of my settings; however having to use the click-scroll method is just annoying. Almost every other application I use that deals with text can scroll effectively with the scroll wheel. That’s what it’s for after all.
Why would you remove something like that? It seems to be in every other office application with the exception of office 2007.


UI Design:


I really don’t like the new main menu. One of the main principles of User Interface design is to make everything obvious to find.
Finding something in Office 2007 is a case of click everything until you find it.
Using office 2007 will become second nature no doubt as it becomes more prevalent in the workplace, however just because people will become used to something and the way it works is no reason to make a program that isn’t obvious to use.


The default font:


Calibri it’s called (and it’s not in the dictionary apparently).
It’s not bad; however I have one problem with it. Trying to type a document and decide if you’ve actually typed one space or two is nigh on impossible. (I also just noticed when I type c and e together such as in the word space, sometimes the letters flow together – see screenshot below)


What the hell is this?




Excel 2007
Ok, now onto excel. The first thing I have tried to do is replicate a piece of a document I am using at work.
Part of the document uses hyperlinks to link to Microsoft Visio files that are associated with a number in a cell. (Such as a list of numbers, 00 to 10, each number links to a vision named xxxx00.vsd etc.
Ok, so the keyboard shortcut for inserting a hyperlink is the same (Ctrl-K). The insert hyperlink dialog is nearly identical to 2003
Then I came across my first slight annoyance. Once I had inserted the hyperlink, to open it I have to press the mouse button, hold it, and then release, instead of just clicking the link to follow it.


Functions


To test function usage I used the concatenate function as an example. One of the first things I noticed was the function suggestions. I normally love these things; it provides useful shortcuts to typing long names (I use the same type of thing in Visual Studio etc).
Except it doesn’t work properly (or at least the way it should).
Narrowing down the function you want is pretty easy, you just type letters until you have narrowed it down enough:



However, then I tried to select the function that I wanted. It seems the only way to actually do this is to double click on the function you want. This is very annoying.
Normally something like this would work by pressing either the right key, the spacebar or even enter, but no. I don’t know about everyone else but when I’m creating a spreadsheet I like to use just the keyboard (I prefer to use the mouse as little as possible in general, using the keyboard is just faster). Not providing the option to use just the keyboard to select a suggested function seems like a bit of an oversight for me. It’s not a massive problem, just another annoyance.


Conclusion:


Some of the features of Office 2007 so seem good, however, it just seems like there are too many annoyances at the moment. I’m hoping this is just a result of it being a beta.

Im going to continue to use office 2007 for a while and i might post an article on it once ive been using it for at least a few weeks.
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Re: Microsoft Office 12 [2007]

Every time MS come out with a new product that going to be part of Vista, I can't but that that they're just trying to be like Apple.
Not that that's a bad thing. We might actually end up with a MS OS which has everything you expect to be built in to in instead of coming from Third-parties.

Anyway, I saw some videos of this a few months ago, and some of the folk on that forum were calling it "Office for Dummys". It does seem quite simplistic, which is probably a good thing for the average Office user. But I can shake the feeling that they could have done it better and it's just not going to be that great.
Maybe if they had something like this:


Pages 2 'Inspector' Window


Pages 2 main window

I don't mean to be a Mac Zealot, but the interface in Pages 2 is just at the right level of simplicity, but with quick access to all more advanced stuff using Inspector.


On the customisable colours thing, the videos I saw had several different coloured menu bars, so I presume it's possible.

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Re: Microsoft Office 12 [2007]

The only customisation available is windows xp colour scheme (the one below) or windows vista (a dark grey / black) in the options.

Also, i just found another annoyance. when you click "Full Screen Reading" to get back to normal mode you have to click on "print layout".

Thats really obvious.

EDIT: the new file format for word seems to be ".docx".
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Re: Microsoft Office 12 [2007]

The hyperlink thing is good.

I'm fucked off with being sent documents with auto-formatted hyperlinks and accidentally following them.

.docx has been written about extensively; it's a compressed XML-based format (like OpenOffice.org uses, but proprietary to Microsoft).

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The hyperlink thing is good.

I'm fucked off with being sent documents with auto-formatted hyperlinks and accidentally following them.
I can see where you are coming from, it just seems a bit much just to follow a link, especially if you will be doing that a lot.

Maybe there is an option to change it that i've not found yet.

Doing it the way its done in word would make more sense (you press ctrl then click to follow a hyperlink in word).

I dont really understand why there are two different ways of opening a link in the 2 programs.
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Re: Microsoft Office 12 [2007]

Now that certainly doesn't make sense… but, the two programs are managed by different teams, so parity is probably later on in the priority list. It is only a beta, after all.
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