Alternative Nation
Go Back   Alternative Nation > Entertainment & Arts > Television

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 30th October 2009, 7:30pm   #1
Experimental stooge
 
endless psych's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Auld Reekie
Posts: 15,133
Images: 8
endless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the building
Send a message via MSN to endless psych Send a message via Skype™ to endless psych
The event: How racist are you?

Did anyone else watch this?

I was slightly dissapointed. Mainly because Jane Elliots work is lauded in nigh on every social psychology textbook you'd care to mention and her methods, as demonstrated in the program didn't seem to me to be all that sound.

I mean was there any evidence it had a lasting impact? Did it improve racial attitudes? Did it do enough to justify the slightly dodgy ethics?

I've blogged a more detailed critique and a potential means of addressing some of those questions (I'm at work and obviously bored out of my skull) but would be interested in anyone elses opinions of the program (it's stll avaliable on 4od if you haven't seen it and it's arguably worth it just to see the uncomfortably short interview at the end).
__________________
Shut up! Grammatic oil!
Just a sockpuppet for Freud.
BLOG:Fuck you and your electron microscope!
Not down with the rock not down with the roll
endless psych is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 7:31pm   #2
(suicidemachine)
 
Largest of Gregs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Too large
Posts: 18,460
Images: 1048
Largest of Gregs has all the fancy movesLargest of Gregs has all the fancy movesLargest of Gregs has all the fancy movesLargest of Gregs has all the fancy movesLargest of Gregs has all the fancy movesLargest of Gregs has all the fancy movesLargest of Gregs has all the fancy movesLargest of Gregs has all the fancy movesLargest of Gregs has all the fancy movesLargest of Gregs has all the fancy movesLargest of Gregs has all the fancy moves
Send a message via MSN to Largest of Gregs Send a message via Skype™ to Largest of Gregs
Re: The event: How racist are you?

quite
__________________
Like Siberia, remission is a silent journey across no man’s land, and it’s not always easy to take it alone.'
http://content.altnation.com/gallery.../6/dottsig.jpg
Largest of Gregs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 7:34pm   #3
Filth-kitten
 
Mwezzi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Under a rock
Posts: 7,326
Images: 227
Mwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pub
Re: The event: How racist are you?

It didn't achieve anything, because the task at hand was almost entirely lost as people asserted that they weren't racist instead.
My initial impression was one of irritation and disappointment. I'm going to watch it again whilst not also doing my homework later.
Nice that people are against racism, I guess.
Mwezzi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 7:54pm   #4
Experimental stooge
 
endless psych's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Auld Reekie
Posts: 15,133
Images: 8
endless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the building
Send a message via MSN to endless psych Send a message via Skype™ to endless psych
Re: The event: How racist are you?

If only people had done what this person arbitarily ordered them to they would have learnt an important lesson! Damn them and their sense of agency

The task was inherently flawed to my mind. If the task only works when people are being compliant and complicit with Elliot then there is a huuuge flaw in it's design.

Imagine administering a clinical trial and when no effect greater then placebo was observed blaming the participants and still lauding the drug as working perfectly, that seem reasonably analogous to blaming the folk taking part for it not working to me...
__________________
Shut up! Grammatic oil!
Just a sockpuppet for Freud.
BLOG:Fuck you and your electron microscope!
Not down with the rock not down with the roll
endless psych is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 8:02pm   #5
Filth-kitten
 
Mwezzi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Under a rock
Posts: 7,326
Images: 227
Mwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pubMwezzi is off to the pub
Re: The event: How racist are you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by endless psych View Post
If only people had done what this person arbitarily ordered them to they would have learnt an important lesson! Damn them and their sense of agency

The task was inherently flawed to my mind. If the task only works when people are being compliant and complicit with Elliot then there is a huuuge flaw in it's design.

Imagine administering a clinical trial and when no effect greater then placebo was observed blaming the participants and still lauding the drug as working perfectly, that seem reasonably analogous to blaming the folk taking part for it not working to me...
Elliot is taking on the role of 'apartheid society', which gives roles to people from the get go. The point is to show that anyone can become a monster against ANY CHARACTERISTIC without much effort. Many people are often quite surprised. They know they are being told they are better than the other group - but they don't expect themselves to actually start believing or acting like they are.

Elliot just tells people things like 'blue eyed people are stupid'. She doesn't actually tell the people to go on and pick on the people with blue eyes, the brown-eyed group (in theory) does it of their own volition, without ever having acted like that before.
Mwezzi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 8:10pm   #6
Experimental stooge
 
endless psych's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Auld Reekie
Posts: 15,133
Images: 8
endless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the building
Send a message via MSN to endless psych Send a message via Skype™ to endless psych
Re: The event: How racist are you?

I understand the point. I dispute whether the task has any actual worth in changing or addressing peoples prejudices and racism.

Also one of the problems I had with the task was that it didn't address the brown eyed group becoming racist and appeared to be solely about demonising the (exclusively white) blue eyes.

Milgram just told people that the experiment demanded that they continue and they believed they were administering extreme electric shocks to learners solely for their henious crime of mismatching word pairs...

Don't underestimate the power of even the most basic authority figure to exert an influence on others and promote conformity above and beyond their apparent station.
__________________
Shut up! Grammatic oil!
Just a sockpuppet for Freud.
BLOG:Fuck you and your electron microscope!
Not down with the rock not down with the roll
endless psych is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 8:47pm   #7
Super Discunt
 
pANDAS Radio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 8,914
Images: 28
pANDAS Radio has stolen ALL THE COOKIESpANDAS Radio has stolen ALL THE COOKIESpANDAS Radio has stolen ALL THE COOKIESpANDAS Radio has stolen ALL THE COOKIESpANDAS Radio has stolen ALL THE COOKIESpANDAS Radio has stolen ALL THE COOKIES
Send a message via MSN to pANDAS Radio
Re: The event: How racist are you?

I thought the blonde woman, who's husband wearing a suit is comparable to a black man "playing the game", was hilarious. Total fuckin' idiot.
pANDAS Radio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 8:50pm   #8
I SHAKE MY ASS
 
System_Star's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Dennistoun
Posts: 9,252
Images: 264
System_Star gets all the kissesSystem_Star gets all the kissesSystem_Star gets all the kissesSystem_Star gets all the kissesSystem_Star gets all the kissesSystem_Star gets all the kissesSystem_Star gets all the kissesSystem_Star gets all the kissesSystem_Star gets all the kisses
Re: The event: How racist are you?

Yeah the blonde haired SCHOOL TEACHER that said that when a coloured pupil of hers fell and scraped herself she was suprised that the cut was pink. I had to turn it over, my blood was boiling.
__________________
Last FM/LJ (new)/Myspace/Facebook
System_Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 8:52pm   #9
Experimental stooge
 
endless psych's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Auld Reekie
Posts: 15,133
Images: 8
endless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the buildingendless psych has left the building
Send a message via MSN to endless psych Send a message via Skype™ to endless psych
Re: The event: How racist are you?

They could have retitiled the whole show - "somewhat racist blonde blue eyed school teacher says ill advised racist things in front of ethnically diverse group and angry American".

Not as catchy as the title they eventually went with mind.
__________________
Shut up! Grammatic oil!
Just a sockpuppet for Freud.
BLOG:Fuck you and your electron microscope!
Not down with the rock not down with the roll
endless psych is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 9:16pm   #10
LAST SONG KILL AUDIENCE
 
MarkMono's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Glesgae
Posts: 33,172
Blog Entries: 90
Images: 81
MarkMono has all the rep they could need. And more.MarkMono has all the rep they could need. And more.MarkMono has all the rep they could need. And more.MarkMono has all the rep they could need. And more.MarkMono has all the rep they could need. And more.MarkMono has all the rep they could need. And more.MarkMono has all the rep they could need. And more.MarkMono has all the rep they could need. And more.MarkMono has all the rep they could need. And more.MarkMono has all the rep they could need. And more.MarkMono has all the rep they could need. And more.
Send a message via MSN to MarkMono
Re: The event: How racist are you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwezzi View Post
Nice that people are against racism, I guess.
But they're not, they're against being associated with a term because it is largely stigmatised. Not the same thing as being against racism at all.
MarkMono is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2009, 2:24am   #11
Kingpun
 
I'm Your God Now's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Abergreen
Posts: 16,815
Images: 57
I'm Your God Now can take the heatI'm Your God Now can take the heatI'm Your God Now can take the heatI'm Your God Now can take the heatI'm Your God Now can take the heatI'm Your God Now can take the heatI'm Your God Now can take the heatI'm Your God Now can take the heatI'm Your God Now can take the heatI'm Your God Now can take the heatI'm Your God Now can take the heat
Send a message via MSN to I'm Your God Now Send a message via Yahoo to I'm Your God Now
Re: The event: How racist are you?

Shite experiment.
__________________
Saying The Words We Mean To No One

A Esperanca é quando a dor presente nós faz tentar outra vez.
I'm Your God Now is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2009, 9:28am   #12
The man from Del Monte
 
XMachina's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: The Plantation
Posts: 9,755
Blog Entries: 176
Images: 85
XMachina has a cyber haloXMachina has a cyber haloXMachina has a cyber haloXMachina has a cyber haloXMachina has a cyber haloXMachina has a cyber haloXMachina has a cyber halo
Send a message via MSN to XMachina
Re: The event: How racist are you?

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkMono View Post
sometimes the underdog is the underdog because he's too stupid to be anything else or even be able to recognise the fact that he's the underdog.
XMachina is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2009, 12:48pm   #13
Riechen Sie Ihre Mutter
 
PAPA LAZEROU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Parts unkown...
Posts: 1,055
PAPA LAZEROU bites the hand that feeds
Re: The event: How racist are you?

I watched about 5 minutes of this dross.....eventually switched it off to play xbox 360 borderlands.
PAPA LAZEROU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2009, 12:51pm   #14
Registered Loser
 
Eulonima's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The 4th Wall
Posts: 3,767
Images: 14
Eulonima is a glorious beacon of baconEulonima is a glorious beacon of baconEulonima is a glorious beacon of baconEulonima is a glorious beacon of baconEulonima is a glorious beacon of bacon
Send a message via MSN to Eulonima
Re: The event: How racist are you?

im not racist, i just hate the taigs.
__________________
Jewlonima Last.fm

If some cunt can fuck something up that cunt will pick the WORST possible time to fuckin' fuck it up, because that cunts a cunt.

Eulonima is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2009, 12:53pm   #15
啼米
 
Timmy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Coatbridge
Posts: 17,842
Blog Entries: 19
Images: 43
Timmy is highly honouredTimmy is highly honouredTimmy is highly honouredTimmy is highly honouredTimmy is highly honouredTimmy is highly honouredTimmy is highly honouredTimmy is highly honouredTimmy is highly honouredTimmy is highly honoured
Send a message via MSN to Timmy
Re: The event: How racist are you?

I don't like the colour brown an any context.
__________________
Two time Heavyweight Champion of the World
Total record: 57 wins (54 KO), 24 Losses, 1 Draw.
Timmy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks
Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Dependable UK Web Hosting - Kualo
 









Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0.0
Advertisement
   



All times are GMT +0. The time now is 8:40am.

Forums Directory
Copyright 2000-2008, Alternative Nation

SEO by vBSEO 3.1.0 ©2007, Crawlability, Inc.
Page generated in 0.58330 seconds with 21 queries