For Celtic "fans" who don't like Strachan?

[Warped]

me and big tam at the back, watch this space.

[Mos Def]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Football fans in having an opinion shocker.

Aye.

You pay 500 quid for a season ticket then you're well within your rights to be pissed off when you're watching utterly sub-standard football.

[AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS]

If 'sub-standard' football brings us more success than our last manager (Martin O'Neil) brought us, then I couldn't give a fuck what some plebs who say "get the manager oot" every time we have a wee hiccup.
Yer entitled to your opinion hoody, youre within your right to not like strachan, but sub-standard football is just not factual.
Not real fans - fannies.

Originally Posted by Kenny Everett

Home games are making me sick right now with the abuse Strachan and the players are getting.

I've still to hear a logical suggestion about who we should be buying to solve the "crisis". The guy next to me actually refused to speak to me after I disagreed on the Balde/ Riordan issue. Clueless cunt.

Balde / Riordan are not the answer.

Originally Posted by Tommy

Once again from being in pole position the powers that be have not bothered their cunt of an arse to hand out the dosh. SHAME ON YOU.

HOWEVER, I do think we need strengthening, as a few positions are precariously weak at the moment.
Nothing a few players can't fix

[Mos Def]

I didn't say I didn't like Strachan, but the past few games we've been utterly shite, and it's frustrating - we should be horsing teams like St. Mirren and Inverness Cally, so it's perfectly understandable that some folk get pissed off. It doesn't make them any less of a fan, they're fully entitled to their opinion and to voice it however they want.

[¡Punk!]

There's such a huge amount of football on telly now compared to when I was a lad and all I had was highlights of the Premiership, Premier League and two 1st Division games. Now we've got four live British games every Sunday as well as two or three Spanish games and the odd Portugese, German, French, Dutch, Italian, Brazilian, American, Australian or Argentinian game thrown in. As well as the mid-week games. Oh and the highlights reels for each league. And the hours of people, who have never managed a team in their life, telling the managers where they go wrong.

I'm not saying Andy Gray or Alan Hansen or Craig Burley know nothing about football but they're not on the training ground each week so they have no idea what the manager's doing the other six days. But we listen to these muppets regardless and, for some foolish reason, see ourselves all as experts.

Andy Gray says four at the back only works if the defensive midfielder can cover the full backs so we all know Evander Sno was at fault for closing down the midfielder and letting the full back make the over-lap. We know this because Andy Gray knows this. If Andy Gray says so it must be gospel and why is Gordon Strachan playing Sno if he can't ever cover an over-lap from a full back? Strachan must go I'm gonna phone up a phone in. Obviously I'll get through because the producers of these phone ins prefer an argument to for rating and it's a far more interesting call than "I think Sno's gonna come onto a game and Strachan's an astute manager".

So you get an unfair reflection of a team's fans. As well as this the constant spouting out of the negative points makes them stick in the head more than the positives.

Then, of course, there's the messageboard mafia who like to spout pish singling out certain players, managers, coaches and the like for their own reasons trying to snowball their way into a consensus.

Opinions are like arseholes: we've all got them and they stink. And it's the arguing about the stupidest thing with each other which makes this game fun half the time. People, however, need to realise they base their opinions on one game a week having never played at anything like a decent level and have no clue how the game works instead of being so fucking pig-headed they think they know more than the people getting paid a fortune to do so*

*apart from anyone who's ever seen a team managed by John McVeigh. You know far more.

[Zippy]

That's like saying we should all be quiet and not voice any kind of opinion as we've never played the game at a high level. I've never sung at Smash Hits but I know Tatu were shite.

[Timmy]

Thats your opinion. Tatu are class.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Thats your opinion. Tatu are class.

Exactly, like Mick said we've all got opinions and of course we all think we'd make good managers - doesn't mean that we shouldn't voice these opinions when things aren't going well just because we haven't been involved at that level. Of course there's a right way and a wrong way to do it but a few words typed on a messageboard doesn't hurt anyone at Celtic or any other football team for that matter.

Unless that messageboard is 'Follow, Follow' of course

[¡Punk!]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Thats your opinion. Tatu are class.

This is true. Tatu are fucking class. You're barred from the internet Tam.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have opinions or voice them. It's the ones who know how to fix everything. Know exactly what's wrong and so forth. It's also the ones who aren't grounded in reality or completey ignore all the good a manager has done. I've heard people coming on asking why Strachan didn't sign a couple of defenders in the summer and they seem to forget Strachan splashed out to sort the midfield out which, I would say, was far more important than the defence at that point and Celtic don't have a bottomless pit of money like other sides. Or these Rangers fans who go on about how shite 4-5-1 is but didn't grumble when they beat Lyon, Stuttgart or Celtic with that formation. Where was everyone greeting for two upfront then?

A complete inability to look at the facts just to justify their own opinion is prevailant amongst many of these supporters. I wonder why they bother supporting a team if they just whine and bitch 100% of the time.

[Zippy]

I don't think there's a massive 'get Strachan out' swelling on AN, other than me saying I'd quite like Mowbray in (and that's someday, not tomorrow if I reflect on it) - mibbe Tommy's just wanting to vent his anger at 'fans' who are giving abuse at the games. As I said I don't go to the games much these days so I don't have a clue if Strachan has been getting abuse at the home games. Football fans for the most part are idiots, it's the rising above it that matters.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by ¡Punk!

I've heard people coming on asking why Strachan didn't sign a couple of defenders in the summer and they seem to forget Strachan splashed out to sort the midfield out which, I would say, was far more important than the defence at that point and Celtic don't have a bottomless pit of money like other sides.

Hartley, Sno, Jarosik, McGeady, Nakamura, O'Brien and at the start of the season we could have kept Gravesen.

Was bringing in Scott Brown and Donati was that more urgent that bringing in a centre-back to play beside McManus and/or cover for left back since Naylor is our only recognised left back? I'm not so sure.

I'm fine with Strachan, but I do admit his signing policy hasn't exactly got a good record wherever he's been, including Celtic.

[Tommy]

YAS - drunken rage, love it.

I still stand by this point btw. I realise people are entitled to their opinion and this is mine. I'm sick to death of hearing such shite as "WGS doesn't have a clue" etc etc etc. The facts are he's on course to be the most successful manager since Stein and that is not luck, it's talent. Anyway I'm much calmer now so it's water off a ducks back. I really should have kept it in for at least another day and vented it on Clyde, it would have been so much funnier.

Oh and it wasn't meant to be directed to the forum, I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing Joe fae Shettleston tell me that "Strachan must go!" and his league titles are "Lucky".

[Zippy]

The main thing that I'm worried about with Strachan is that in 3 years we haven't won away in Europe under him and this season we didn't even score an away goal in the CL groups.

Since the start of December we've been linked with Hinkel and McFadden and if we can get both of those guys in (although as Stew previously said the Hinkel deal appears to be dead) then I'll be delighted - or at least guys of that calibre.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Tommy

The facts are he's on course to be the most successful manager since Stein and that is not luck, it's talent.

Fair point, but at the moment it looks more likely that we're going to lose top-spot to a Rangers team that have two games in hand against the two bottom sides in the SPL.

Add that Strachan was up against a Rangers team last season that imploded under Paul LeGuen and the season before that had resulted in Alex McLeish getting the sack and it's not that impressive. Now they've got Walter Smith in charge and the team organised they look a damn site stronger than Celtic at present, and it's not something I enjoy in the slightest.

Originally Posted by Zippy

Since the start of December we've been linked with Hinkel and McFadden and if we can get both of those guys in (although as Stew previously said the Hinkel deal appears to be dead) then I'll be delighted - or at least guys of that calibre.

Aye, Hinkel is moving to Borussia Dortmund.

[¡Punk!]

Originally Posted by Stew

Hartley, Sno, Jarosik, McGeady, Nakamura, O'Brien and at the start of the season we could have kept Gravesen.

Was bringing in Scott Brown and Donati was that more urgent that bringing in a centre-back to play beside McManus and/or cover for left back since Naylor is our only recognised left back? I'm not so sure.

I'm fine with Strachan, but I do admit his signing policy hasn't exactly got a good record wherever he's been, including Celtic.

Last season there was a few people saying Hartley wasn't good enough, Sno had a lot to learn, Jarosik seemed on his way out, McGeady and Nakamura are both inconsistent and O' Brien hadn't even played for the first team. Gravesen was gash. Whereas in defence you had Naylor, close call for player of the year, Wilson, who was solid enough and a decent centre back pairing of McManus and Caldwell as well as O' Dea and Pressley as back up as well as Kennedy getting fit again. Maybe a bit of cover in the full backs would have been useful but I still think the midfield was more important.

*edit* you brough in Doumbe as cover at full back. Also practically all your other defenders have played at full back at some point in their career. Just unlucky three full backs got crocked at once.