Better living through chemistry

[Trip]

I'm really interested about this melatonin thing.

I'm really dubious about buying it of ebay. Can I get it from anywhere else?

I used to use zolpidem, but its hard to get prescriped more than twice...

[GoddamnElectric]

More males need to be listening to me.

[Ghostsuit]

Originally Posted by Captain Cripplepants

People and their vitamins.... When will people realise that, generally speaking, there is absolutely no need to take vitamin supplements?! As long as you have a fairly decent diet (i.e. fruit, veg, meat, fish etc) and get yourself some sunlight then you will get and/or make all of these things anyway! In general, supplements only act as excess, that can't be used! The body only needs so much, which it is usually pretty good at regulating! IIRC, one of the few groups such supplements are reccommended for (unless you do have a particular deficiency) is vegetarians/vegans, because they don't get all the normal goodness meat-eaters do. So in other-words, most people taking supplements are literally pissing their money away.

Have you seen most peoples diets on here .

I take omega 3 fish oils mainly for joints and I've noticed a big difference since starting taking them. I couldn't really care less about the research they work for me. Multivit again I take them couple of time a week but not every day mainly as a booster/cover lapses in diet.

[StuntGirl]

Originally Posted by hotblonde

You do realise that half the crap you're taking there is repeated? The zinc will be in multivitamins and the skin, hair and nails, as will the vit B complex. Why on earth are you popping MetoExtreme diet pills? No wonder you feel shit honey.

you, know, I never even thought about them being repeated. I've just been taken a B complex and a multi vitamin ever since I was a little girl, so I hardly even count them anymore. Hmmm, maybees an evaluation of my vitamin needs is in order.

And I take diet pills for two reasons: 1) to lose weight and 2) to stay awake (I'm terribly lethargic all the time). Although I'm thinking of coming off the ones I'm on just now, as they're proper shit. My kingdom for ephedrine (yes, I know its very bad for you, but isn't everything?), the only diet supplement that actually works.

And rowsbette, with regards to the whole 'do veggies need supplements' thing, it was my doctor that recommended I take a B complex and a multivitamin with Iron when I went vegetarian at the age of 7. I had another doctor that told me vits were shit, but I guess it just varies wildly from one to another.

[MarkMono]

I'm still confused about multi-vitamins. I get that you don't need them if you have a healthy, balanced diet. But what if I'm lazy, or having trouble adapting to a vegetarian diet, or just plain being a workaholic. I'm prone to all of these things, so vitamin supplements seem like a perfectly rational idea.

Am I missing something here?

[hotblonde]

Originally Posted by MarkMono

I'm still confused about multi-vitamins. I get that you don't need them if you have a healthy, balanced diet. But what if I'm lazy, or having trouble adapting to a vegetarian diet, or just plain being a workaholic. I'm prone to all of these things, so vitamin supplements seem like a perfectly rational idea.

Am I missing something here?

This link is to a review on 'neutraceuticals'. It's quite good, not too technical and gives some other good refs if you're wanting to research it some more.

p.s. not sure how long the link will work for, so if anyone wants a pdf copy, I can email it to them.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...7748866a114edf

[LesMTS]

Originally Posted by MarkMono

I'm still confused about multi-vitamins. I get that you don't need them if you have a healthy, balanced diet. But what if I'm lazy, or having trouble adapting to a vegetarian diet, or just plain being a workaholic. I'm prone to all of these things, so vitamin supplements seem like a perfectly rational idea.

Am I missing something here?

Consensus seems to be that they'll stop you developing deficiencies but they won't make your all-round health any better, if that makes sense.

[hotblonde]

Originally Posted by StuntGirl

you, know, I never even thought about them being repeated. I've just been taken a B complex and a multi vitamin ever since I was a little girl, so I hardly even count them anymore. Hmmm, maybees an evaluation of my vitamin needs is in order.

And I take diet pills for two reasons: 1) to lose weight and 2) to stay awake (I'm terribly lethargic all the time). Although I'm thinking of coming off the ones I'm on just now, as they're proper shit. My kingdom for ephedrine (yes, I know its very bad for you, but isn't everything?), the only diet supplement that actually works.

And rowsbette, with regards to the whole 'do veggies need supplements' thing, it was my doctor that recommended I take a B complex and a multivitamin with Iron when I went vegetarian at the age of 7. I had another doctor that told me vits were shit, but I guess it just varies wildly from one to another.

If you're aneamic, then take iron. If you're not, then you've no reason to take it. Amino acids are probably the only supplement you need if you're a veggie.

[faerie_child]

i don't take anything. i distrust vitamin suppliments. i should take something for my knees like cod liver oil or something but i haven't got round to getting any.

I don't take anything but I generally feel like I don't need to. If I'm lethargic it's because I'm either not eating right, not sleeping right or not getting enough exercise. Anything else I should be getting in my diet.

I did take evening primrose oil for a few months to try and control my rampant PMT and horrible cramps before I had the boys but to be honest I forget to take pills (points to belly as proof) so trying to keep to a regime doesn't work for me.

[Rowsbette]

Originally Posted by StuntGirl

And rowsbette, with regards to the whole 'do veggies need supplements' thing, it was my doctor that recommended I take a B complex and a multivitamin with Iron when I went vegetarian at the age of 7. I had another doctor that told me vits were shit, but I guess it just varies wildly from one to another.

Fair enough, I can see why they'd recommend supplements for someone going veggie so young. I read somewhere that medical students get very little training in terms of nutrition and using food as preventative medicine, so I guess that's why different doctors have such wildly different views.

Originally Posted by StuntGirl

And I take diet pills for two reasons: 1) to lose weight and 2) to stay awake (I'm terribly lethargic all the time). Although I'm thinking of coming off the ones I'm on just now, as they're proper shit. My kingdom for ephedrine (yes, I know its very bad for you, but isn't everything?), the only diet supplement that actually works.

Ephedrine's the stuff they banned cos a young woman died, right? All the diet pill reviews I've read have shitloads of people mourning the fact they can't get it anymore. Apparantly Hoodia's amazing for appetite suppression (some African plant extract) but I think loadsa cowboy companies started churning out shite versions of it after it emerged it was Nicole Ritchie's diet pill of choice. There's something really fucked up about that.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Rowsbette

Fair enough, I can see why they'd recommend supplements for someone going veggie so young. I read somewhere that medical students get very little training in terms of nutrition and using food as preventative medicine, so I guess that's why different doctors have such wildly different views.

Just to confuse it even more, Nutrionalists have massive arguments about supplements. Half of them are for them and the other half are against. But they're a weird bunch anyway.

[StuntGirl]

Originally Posted by Rowsbette

Ephedrine's the stuff they banned cos a young woman died, right? All the diet pill reviews I've read have shitloads of people mourning the fact they can't get it anymore. Apparantly Hoodia's amazing for appetite suppression (some African plant extract) but I think loadsa cowboy companies started churning out shite versions of it after it emerged it was Nicole Ritchie's diet pill of choice. There's something really fucked up about that.

hoodia i've never tried, im more about having a stimulated effect rather than an appetite suppressant (i dont have a big appetite anyways). But yes, people died taking ephedrine, heart attacks were to be had, etc, etc. Ephedrine does pretty much what speed does (I cant remember if ephedrine is actually an amphetamine or something else entirely). If im not mistaken ephedra and mua huang (the herbal derivative) have also been banned. I think you can still get ephedrine in the US, but its banned here. Piss easy to get in sweden though.

but yes...ephedrine is bad, but it doesn't stop a nation of dieters still wanting it.

[hotblonde]

Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are very similar (sympathomimetic amine), the latter being the main ingredient in sudafed (used to be extracted and cut with MDMA for ecstasy use) and other over the counter decongestant remedies. It is a powerful stimulant and well known to aid weight loss via the principal mechanism of an indirect action on the adrenergic receptor system. Now, I believe most decongestants tend to contain phenylephrine (similar). The use of pseudoephedrine is now controlled in many countries, but I don't think the UK have gone all the way with it yet.

Stuntgirl, it's similar in structure to the man made amphetamine, but it is derived from a plant. The mode of action is a weaker to the man made amphet version and it's legal (as far as I now, in controlled doses).

[StuntGirl]

Originally Posted by hotblonde

Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are very similar (sympathomimetic amine), the latter being the main ingredient in sudafed (used to be extracted and cut with MDMA for ecstasy use) and other over the counter decongestant remedies. It is a powerful stimulant and well known to aid weight loss via the principal mechanism of an indirect action on the adrenergic receptor system. Now, I believe most decongestants tend to contain phenylephrine (similar). The use of pseudoephedrine is now controlled in many countries, but I don't think the UK have gone all the way with it yet.

Ah, that clear something up for me. I bought ephedrine off of ebay about a month back and it wasn't the weight loss type, it was the decongestant type (albeit, a very powerful one).