Grudgingly Going Veggie

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by JennyPiccolo

I don't really see the point in worrying about animals when there's still so much human suffering in the world, but I sort of get it.

I heartily endorse and support this sentiment. I is a speciesist and proud of it. However if I discovered there was some sort of national league for the protection of icky animals I might be more convinced of the moral position of animal charities.

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by djtoast

largely true, but the more (individual) switch to more ethically produced meat, the more efficient the providers can be, and by the same token the fewer people are supporting the worse producers, which should narrow the price gap encouraging more to buy wisely.

But no, that'd never get everyone shopping with animal welfare in mind.

But only this week I gather the government has banned battery-farmed eggs:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7180018.stm



So I think (hope) that with a combination of consumer will and legislation things can improve, even if slowly.

I think that eating meat is a natural part of being human, and I don't criticise those who choose not to but I do have an issue with people who do a bad job of feeding their children appropriately, for example, by avoiding meat but not adeqautely adjusting the balance of nutrition... so there is a cloud over the notion of vegetarianism for me.

Good luck with your new regime!

Inclined to agree I am.

Add tot hae fact that battery produced chicken tastes like crap anyway and you have another good reason to avoid it, indeed the only time I ever knowingly deal with it is in my occasional kfc (we're all allowed our guilty pleasures).
I've long been of the opinion though that if you coundn't/wouldn't kill something yourself you shouldn't be eating meat at all though.

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by Shannow

I've long been of the opinion though that if you coundn't/wouldn't kill something yourself you shouldn't be eating meat at all though.

I reckon any human being given the right situational pressures and conditions could and indeed would kill an animal and eat meat . I don't nessecarily think it would even take an overly dramatic situation for them to do so (by which I mean I think its been shown that human beings will act against their own dispositional beliefs in the face of consistant and prevelent social pressure - although there will always be notable exceptions like).

[Charlicat]

Hugh's got a cheek "drawing attention" to these birds kept in cramped conditions, when he was shoving five birds into each other last Xmas.

[Kirsten]

I was brought up as a vegetarian (my mum would only buy organic, where she could - back in the day, before it became "fashionable", which was also then before it became 'the norm' but my boyfriend at the time started taking me out for steak dinners all the time when I was around 16, much to my mother's horror!

But, although I've had a few amazing big chunks of meat recently .. I've just been craving hunners of veggies again, and I feel so much healthier for it!

I wouldn't be able to watch those programmes though - as much as humanity tends to disgust me, and I don't have any equidistant qualms about watching (certain) people 'suffer', to a degree - I can't even watch the start of an RSPCA advert without feeling gutted!

Poor wee things

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by endless psych

I reckon any human being given the right situational pressures and conditions could and indeed would kill an animal and eat meat . I don't nessecarily think it would even take an overly dramatic situation for them to do so (by which I mean I think its been shown that human beings will act against their own dispositional beliefs in the face of consistant and prevelent social pressure - although there will always be notable exceptions like).

I'm not talking about extremes, I'm meaning more in the case of 'Chicken for dinner the night? Go grab one of those hens from oot the back then'.

[The Colossus]

Originally Posted by AWESOMEUS MAXIMUS

You aren't a vegetarian if you eat fish.
FACT.

Fucking did my tits in that.

What he said.

It's easy aside from the smell of bacon.

[endless psych]

Originally Posted by Shannow

I'm not talking about extremes, I'm meaning more in the case of 'Chicken for dinner the night? Go grab one of those hens from oot the back then'.

Either was I. Although the posts a bit rambling. I was kinda trying to make the point that I think almost everyone (regardless of personal morality) could and would do so. Given the right conditions I reckon you could even get a hardline vegetarian to nip out the back and kill said hen. The right application o f social pressure is all thats probably needed.

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by pixiedust1984

The other night I watched Kill it Cook It Eat it and I actually started crying so now I'm back to a veggie again, and looking into becoming a vegan, just need to find out more about what subsitutes I could use - I love milk!!

See, I find this attitude odd, why not keep drinking milk and cut out the things you don't agree with, or is it really that important that you can label yourself a vegan?

[Pantgirl]

The "Kill it, Cook it, Eat it" series has been amazing. The animals are all slaughtered so well yet still people were blubbering over them. I was so hungry watching the programme and really fancy a nice roast leg of lamb the noo

[Tacky]

Originally Posted by djtoast

I think that eating meat is a natural part of being human, and I don't criticise those who choose not to but I do have an issue with people who do a bad job of feeding their children appropriately, for example, by avoiding meat but not adeqautely adjusting the balance of nutrition... so there is a cloud over the notion of vegetarianism for me.

This was the parents fault, but it reminds me of a girl i used to be mates with in school who turned veggie as she loved animals like nuts. I saw how weak and ill she got, and made her ear a sausage - i like to think i saved that girls life *big headed*

[Purplerose]

Originally Posted by Shannow

See, I find this attitude odd, why not keep drinking milk and cut out the things you don't agree with, or is it really that important that you can label yourself a vegan?

Well if stuff like that bothers a person then the dairy industry is cruel in itself so it can be considered fairly hyporcritical to just go veggie and not all the way vegan if it's cruelty that motivates you. I still really like and miss cheese but in many ways it just isn't worth it to satisfy tastebuds for a few seconds. It isn't the vegan label I'm after but it's just the best way to describe what I'm doing, on the other hand you do sometimes come across people who seem to want to use it as some kind of odd fashion label.

For me it was the cruelty aspects that motivated me when I went veggie at around age 11 or 12 and they still do to some extent but now it's more to do with health reasons and I just know I don't get so many health problems on a vegan diet.

Pixiedust1984 - soya milk tastes a lot different from how it used to, try the stuff you find in the chilled cabinate in stores instead of the stuff beside the UHT milk and try a few different ones because they all taste different, I like Alpro and Morrisons own brand. There is also rice milk, almond milk, oat milk etc Just experiment til you find one you like.

[GoddamnElectric]

I went veggie for 1 month a while ago, just to see what it was like. I felt no different either way, and I only really missed chicken as it forms the foundation of so many meals. I'm all for being as ethical as possible about livestock, but the food chain is entirely natural and I'm not inclined to defy it.

[AMillionScreams]

Vegetarians = Tedious
Vegans = Psycological Issues

[GoddamnElectric]

When the apocalypse comes the normies will rank above the veggies in the food chain. Eating meat now is just prudent planning.