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14th April 2006, 1:10pm
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#31 | | Hyphen Hyphen
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
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Originally Posted by The Herald Kenny Goth, manager of Hellfire, an alternative clothing shop in Glasgow, has practised the goth lifestyle for 12 years. |
Practised for 12 years and he still hasn't got it right yet 
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14th April 2006, 1:20pm
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#32 | | Blessed are the teamakers
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
The article I saw in the paper yesteday said the research claimed that instead of young people becoming a 'goth' then self-harming, the trend appeared that the children who had self harmed at a younger age went on to be attracted to the gothic culture and it's strong friendship groups. Since becoming a goth the instances of the previous self harmer relapsing was less frequent. This sounds a lot more sensible to me. | |
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14th April 2006, 1:41pm
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#33 | | Forever Waiting.
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
its amazing the differences that can be taken out of the same piece of research.
bbc news title - " Goths 'more likely to self-harm'"
new scientist title - " Goth subculture may protect vulnerable children"
slightly different eh? http://www.newscientist.com/article....ine-news_rss20
based on the same research, it was found that people who self harm, then join the goth subculture were less likely to self harm after that, as they got support etc from friends.
EDIT: which is pretty much exactly what juicebox just said. thats what i get for not reading all the posts properly | |
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14th April 2006, 1:42pm
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#34 | | Blessed are the teamakers
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
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14th April 2006, 1:43pm
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#35 | | Forever Waiting.
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
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Originally Posted by juicebox Yeah, like I was saying, I think! lol | yeah i just read your post after i had clicked send!
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14th April 2006, 1:59pm
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#36 | | A Jubilant Mass Editor
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
Science journalism: pinning down other journalism and kicking the shit out of it since the dawn of forever.
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14th April 2006, 2:00pm
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#37 | | 1 part bitch of eastwick Moderator
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
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Originally Posted by Potatojunkie Science journalism: pinning down other journalism and kicking the shit out of it since the dawn of forever. | NewScientists: getting its stories ripped off by the beeb and others also since forever.
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14th April 2006, 2:04pm
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#38 | | Hyphen Hyphen
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
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Originally Posted by lirazel NewScientists: getting its stories ripped off by the beeb and others also since forever. |
Nature: making New Scientist look like The Sun since forever
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14th April 2006, 2:05pm
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#39 | | Blessed are the teamakers
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
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Originally Posted by johnnie walker yeah i just read your post after i had clicked send!
ive added an edit in | Aw that's alright, you explained it better than me anyway!  | |
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14th April 2006, 2:12pm
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#40 | | 1 part bitch of eastwick Moderator
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
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Originally Posted by djbarry Nature: making New Scientist look like The Sun since forever | hehe lol
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14th April 2006, 2:21pm
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#41 | | Caissa's DeathAngel
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
This is why you should take all journalism with a pinch of salt at the very least.
Also I love the fact (missing from the Beeb article, incidentally) that of the 1250 or so kids sampled only 25 called themselves Goth, and from this they felt the judgements were indicative of an entire subculture 
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14th April 2006, 2:35pm
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#42 | | A Jubilant Mass Editor
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
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Originally Posted by Fred! Also I love the fact (missing from the Beeb article, incidentally) that of the 1250 or so kids sampled only 25 called themselves Goth, and from this they felt the judgements were indicative of an entire subculture | Quote: |
But he cautions: “However, the study was based on small numbers and replication is needed to confirm our results.”
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14th April 2006, 4:49pm
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#43 | | Caissa's DeathAngel
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
I was referring to the implications of the title and first paragraphs of both articles.
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14th April 2006, 5:02pm
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#44 | | A Jubilant Mass Editor
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Well, yes, if you ignore the fact that the guy acknowledges that more work needs to be done, it does make him look unreasonable. The other articles cherrypicking facts from it aren't really relevant.
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14th April 2006, 5:04pm
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#45 | | tear you apart
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| Re: Goths 'more likely to self-harm'
If you say "I'M A GOTH" we all know you're an idiot, let's be honest. | |
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